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Modern US smoke grenades
Thirian24
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 04:07 AM UTC
I believe these are smoke grenades, does anybody have a good color mix for these? I don't have that color in a bottle and I'd like to just mix something up if possible. Has anybody done this?
BruceJ8365
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 06:02 AM UTC
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I believe these are smoke grenades, does anybody have a good color mix for these? I don't have that color in a bottle and I'd like to just mix something up if possible. Has anybody done this?
Did you intend to post a picture?
Thirian24
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 06:18 AM UTC
I've tried to look for a photo but I can't find a clear one. The color call out days duck egg green.
I should have mentioned that.
I should have mentioned that.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 06:38 AM UTC
I am assuming you are talking about the vehicle launched IR smoke grenades, like the M76 IR Smoke Grenade. It is basically SeaFoam Geen like the interior color on US APCs. Tamiya Sky (XF-21) is a good color match.
There is also a black topped Visible Smoke Grenade, the M90. Only the black portion sticks out of the launcher.
There is also a black topped Visible Smoke Grenade, the M90. Only the black portion sticks out of the launcher.
Thirian24
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 06:56 AM UTC
Thank you Gino, that's it.
Wonder if I could mix up some green and white. I'll see what I can come up with.
Wonder if I could mix up some green and white. I'll see what I can come up with.
LeoCmdr
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 08:21 AM UTC
I believe the actual colour is called eau de Nil.
Vodnik
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 10:34 AM UTC
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I believe the actual colour is called eau de Nil.
That's correct. Officially NATO smoke grenades are Eau de Nil color. Similar color to the Sea Foam Green, but not exactly the same. At least in reality - in 1/35 scale one could use the same color I think.
bison126
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 12:45 PM UTC
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I believe the actual colour is called eau de Nil.
Some NATO poet must have given the name to this color
But I assume he didn't see the actual color of the Nile waters.
Does the yellow ring on the M76 grenade show the color of the smoke? If yes are there any other colors? And is the yellow ring visible when the grenade is loaded in the tube?
Olivier
Vodnik
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 04:57 PM UTC
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Does the yellow ring on the M76 grenade show the color of the smoke? If yes are there any other colors? And is the yellow ring visible when the grenade is loaded in the tube?
Olivier
The ring is not visible when loaded - the side with the ring goes into the tube.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 05:21 PM UTC
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Does the yellow ring on the M76 grenade show the color of the smoke? If yes are there any other colors? And is the yellow ring visible when the grenade is loaded in the tube?
Olivier
The ring is not visible when loaded - the side with the ring goes into the tube.
A yellow band indicates a high explosive. Is there a HE burster on the M76?
KL
maximus8425
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 06:28 PM UTC
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Does the yellow ring on the M76 grenade show the color of the smoke? If yes are there any other colors? And is the yellow ring visible when the grenade is loaded in the tube?
Olivier
The ring is not visible when loaded - the side with the ring goes into the tube.
A yellow band indicates a high explosive. Is there a HE burster on the M76?
KL
Where as the brown ring on the grenades above denotes a low explosive content. Enough to ignite and spread the contents but not blast it out everywhere.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 06:38 PM UTC
Both types of smoke grenades do have some level of bursting charge to expel them out of the grenade launcher. Also, both are white smoke.
bison126
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 07:00 PM UTC
Thank you all for the answers.
Olivier
Olivier
Vodnik
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 07:32 PM UTC
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Where as the brown ring on the grenades above denotes a low explosive content. Enough to ignite and spread the contents but not blast it out everywhere.
And as far as I remember, the practical result is that grenades with high explosive content are used to immediately create a protective "cloud" around the front of the vehicle to allow for tactical retreat in case of immediate danger, while low explosive grenades can be used to create a slower raising "wall" of smoke in front of and at some distance from the vehicle.
maximus8425
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 08:29 PM UTC
Possibly, however I don't know with other nations smoke grenades. I'm just stating the info I know about British smoke grenades. That being said the colours of ammunition and content bands are NATO wide.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 11:57 PM UTC
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Both types of smoke grenades do have some level of bursting charge to expel them out of the grenade launcher.
That would be a propelling charge then. I imagine most artillerymen would prefer that the cartridge's propelling charge goes off in the tube, not the projectile's bursting charge.
I did some more research and the L8 series uses a black powder burster (hence brown band) with a red phosphorous smoke composition. The propelling charge is a small amount of gunpowder-like propellant.
The M76 uses a HE burster (hence yellow band) with brass flakes as an IR obscurant. The propelling charge is also a small amount of gunpowder-like propellant.
Smoke ammunition is to be painted overall 34558 or 34449. Given that it is an American item, I'm certain that the color is called international light green, not Eau de Nil . . .
KL
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 - 12:35 AM UTC
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That would be a propelling charge then. I imagine most artillerymen would prefer that the cartridge's propelling charge goes off in the tube, not the projectile's bursting charge.
You are correct. Just a quick reply at work and not sure of everyone's understanding of the two types of charges.
elevenbravo87
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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 - 12:35 AM UTC
Tamiya Xf-21 SKY works. Can also be used for interior colors on US AFV.
This also is a close match.
This also is a close match.
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