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Australian Matilda at Balikpapan
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2009 - 09:33 PM UTC
G'day again all ... just dusted off yet another stalled project - an Aussie Matilda C/S tank at Balikpapan in 1945.

I started this project aboput three years back using the noew out of production Firestrom kit. While Matilda subjects are few and far between and any kit is welcome, a fair bit of expertise was needed to fit the conversion parts to the basic Tamiya kit - particularly the front guards.

Anyway, I've basically got it together, and am now wresting with the PSP plating for the rear deck. Looking at real Matildas here in Australia, the rivets in the side plate are quite large:





I'm also using the Firestorm Matilda crew, but they were made for the basic Tamiya kit, and a bit of modification will be needed to fit them in the turret:

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I'm just pondering how I'll stow the tank ... I opted for the front track shrouds because they are a distinctly Aussie Matilda mod. Doing my research though, the tank configurations seem to vary from Squadron to Squadron and even tank to tank.

Many of the tanks in Bouganville and New Guinea didn't seem to be fitted with the shrouds, and the PSP plating is unique to 2/9th tanks at Balikpapan. Some captions say it was armour for the engine hatches, but I wonder if it was a way place stowage on the rear deck above the hot exhausts ... maybe a bit of both.











It appears that track link was welded to teh hull as supplemntary armour, as evidenced in this picture:



Anyway, I'm thinking of firing up the compressor tomorrow and giving the kit a coat of green.

Does anyone have any experience with the ICM kit of the Matilda Mk IV? There has to be an easier way to build an Aussie Matilda!
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2009 - 10:39 PM UTC
34 views and no replies. Well let me (not because i'm aussie) make the first comment.

LOVE it. Forgotton Military subject brought to the fore by you.

Thanks for sharing, keep us updated.
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2009 - 11:39 PM UTC
Gday Mick
A nice project you have going here! Good to get the juices flowing again on a stalled project.
As Dan mentioned thre just aren't enough of these modelled, and when finished it will be great to view I'm certain. Yuo have some nice ref. pics too!
Cheers
Brad
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2009 - 11:40 PM UTC
Hi Mick,

Thats a nice looking matilda .

Good efort so far.
Look forward to seeing some paint ont it .

Cheers
Michael
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 12:11 AM UTC
Hi,
Great Waltzing Mathilda!
Have to get my tamiya one back on the board now.

Matt
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 01:20 AM UTC
Hi Mick, I think so far a great job. I have done a Matilda English in the desert. The Tamiya kit comes with decals for the Australian desert. And I find this work very good because it is different from the others. Certainly these plates you say that you get.
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 01:41 AM UTC
Great project so far.

This should turn out really nicely. I can't help much with armour but if you need assistance with figures and groundwork, send me a PM. It looks like you have everything well under control though...

Chas
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 02:42 AM UTC
Mick

Good looking Matilda so far.

About the PSP over the engine deck: my research into this has not revealed the answer, however I would think that anything on top of the PSP would get very hot so if it was to be used for "storage" then only non-flammable items should go there.

Brian
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 07:55 PM UTC
You can agonise over various details and the techniques needed to depict them for months and years, then one day you just sit down and do something that looks good.

It was raining in Sydney today and I decided to work on that pesky PSP rear deck and stowage ... photos are sketchy, and I'll bet there were actually a few styles determined by the whim of the craftsmen and what materials were available .... there was also the factor of whether or not the tank was fitted with a rear fuel drum.

This is the stowage I came up with, which I later covered with a tarp of leans cleaning tissue covered in white glue:



The end result was affective:





But I daresay too neat when compared to the stowage of the real tanks at Balikpapan. I reckon that when the tanks were landed the close support tanks in particular would have needed to carry plenty of ammo, and being in the tropics, there would have to be some tarps ... I took the British ammo boxes and tarps from the very handy Accurate Armour stowage set, the pastic boxes and tins were from Academy and I used a couple of Tamiya US jerry cans because the 2/9th had been training in Australia and they would have had contact with the Yanks. I will need to scatter some more stowage about::



I modified the PSP deck a bit, but some more work might be needed:



At the end of the day, I am not sure about the rear plate I have added, but it will be easy enough to remove.

I was seriously thinking about modifying the suspension access plate hinges on the side plates:



But my research paid off, and there was at least one vehicle at Balikpapan with PSP plating with the style of hinges depcited in the Tamiya kit, which I have only seen very rarely in photographs. That's good enough for me, I leave the side plate hinges as they are:



The flimsy can holders on the front guards are yet to fixed in place ... they were seen in that position on Matildas with the track shrouds fitted, but there are other stwage options. The spare track and ammo box on the front of the hull have been glued down.





Modelling for me is a funny business ... this project stalled about three years ago after I had to wrestle the hull in particular to make it fit (note the way the front of the side plates have been built up), and then all the real tanks I looked at had a different style of hinge on the suspension access hatches on the side plates, which demoralised me further.

After a couple of days, I have just about all the stowage in place and the PSP plating in the ball park accuracy wise ... all that's needed is to finalise the front guard stowage, add some cables to the smoke dischargers and then I reckon a coat of green paint is in order!

I am not normally one to paint during construction, but the Matilda, like the Churchill, is a funny beast, and the suspension, track and front shrouds have been painted. The PSP is not fixed in place, and I might paint it a slightly dirrent shade of green ... even if it was the same colour as the rest of the tank, it would have come from a different batch of paint, and the vehicle would have been weathered by the time the plating was fitted.

Anyway, this project's starting to look like an Aussie Matilda. I've learnt quite a bit from the process, but unfortunately the Firestorm upgrade is no longer available ... I only hope that the issues that saw it withdrawn from sale are rectified, or that a long overdue accurate 1/35th kit of a Matilda becomes available!

I have seen announcements that Russian manufacturer ICM are producing a MkIV Matilda, but I am yet to see the kit or any reviews ... there are also rumours that a Matilda is in the works with an Asian manufactuer ...
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 08:33 PM UTC
Good build you've got going on Mick. Don't know too much about the Matildas, but like your conversion. Looking forward to seeing it with some paint. Keep at it.

Cheers -
Tim
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 08:47 PM UTC
Hi
I've just bookmarked this post, as I'm going to be doing an Australian Matilda soon.
The Info & Pic's that you have posted will be a great help.
The Build so far is very good. Like the PSP plating, What make is the PSP plating by as I'm after some for another project.
Will you be building a diorama for this or is it just the Matilda & crew on there own.
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 02:16 AM UTC
Hi Mick, great work so far! It's nice to see someone besides Chas doing Aussie pacific theatre. You've got some great reference pics there and it looks like you are well under way. can't wait to see it in paint!
Regards, Ed
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 02:56 AM UTC
Great job on the Matilda. It's nice to see someone doing one that isn't in the North African desert. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 02:57 AM UTC
Hei Mick!

It's looking great so far what you have (scratch) built! Looking forward to see the paint on this. Especially the lugage and PSP plates.

Keep it up
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 05:52 AM UTC
Your Matilda is looking great so far. I started one a few years ago but never got around to finishing. Looking forward to seeing how yours turns out.
Rob
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 09:55 AM UTC

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but unfortunately the Firestorm upgrade is no longer available ... I only hope that the issues that saw it withdrawn from sale are rectified



If anyone "needs' an Australian Matilda, thanks to Mick's thread, try here

http://www.mrmodellbau.de/

Cheers Jason
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 10:10 AM UTC
Nice work , makes me want to put one together , it would have to be a captured vehicle as I only model german armour , ha ha old habbit . Thanx for sharing , looking forward to seeing it painted
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 10:39 AM UTC
Very nice Mathilda!

I really like your PSP plate work! Those photos are awesome! I like your idea of painting the shrouds a slightly different green, very nice touch.
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 11:29 AM UTC
Thanks for all the comments, but it's back to the drawing board on the PSP plating ... I didn't make mine wide enough, and looking closer at the photographs, I reckon the plating extended forward over the hinged covers, which would make sense considering they were vulnerable, and other Aussie Matildas with steel mesh on the rear have that area covered.

I first based my thesis on this photo, but it would also make sense to have separate plating for the covers so it could be removed for maintenance:



Here's another snap from the same series ... you can see a sheet of PSP on the right, which is made up of four widths, and I reckon it's the rear section, but also note that there's another sheet undernath it, and the top sheet has some sort of tube frame.:



Here's some rear plating being fitted .... note the rough and ready inletting for the jettisonable fuel tank mounts:



The trouble with relying on action shots is that they're general taken from the rear of vehicles and from a low angle (duh!), but after doing some cropping, I reckon I've come by some evidence the plating extends forward:









Meanwhile, here's an intersting snap of a C/S Matilda being "bombed up" with 3 inch ammo:



Getting back to the project, well, I just have to buy some more Italeri Modern Battle Accessories just for the PSP plating, but it won't be a big problem to make a new deck, and I reckon I'l extend it forward. I won't worry too much about a frame, as it won't be seen ... it looks like the forward hatch cover is just a plain sheet and that the rear section has cut down plating enclosing the sides, with some mods if a rear fule tank was fitted.

I also still question as to whether this platimg was exclusive for protection ... with all its nooks and crannies and exposed exhaust pipes, the Matilda would have been a cow of a vehicle to stow anything on the rear deck, or for infantry to ride on.
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 04:18 PM UTC
nice Matilda Mick, lets hope that some one like AFV club brings us a new tool... does anyone know if any uk distributers deal in firestorms conversion? coz i've got tamiya's kit, which i started but stopped when i read about all the inaccuracies i'd have to fix, let's just say my scrathing skills are basic at best. good luck with the rest of your build mate. Ant
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