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Fading Desert paint finish
Denimo
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 05:53 AM UTC
Ive read that the first paint used in Op Desert Storm faded after awhile, more so than later finishes. Does anyone have info/pics on how this fading looked? Did it let the European camo show through?

Im building a USMC M60 as a load for my C-HET and Im hoping to fade it from the Vallejo Desert Armour finish.

Any info and how-to-do's would be appreciated.
tnker101
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 06:11 AM UTC
My M1114's in Iraq faded to a lighter shade of tan. Mainly on the areas most exposed to direct sun light. So if you shaded your M60 with a lighter shade of desert tan that would work.
Denimo
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 10:24 AM UTC

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My M1114's in Iraq faded to a lighter shade of tan. Mainly on the areas most exposed to direct sun light. So if you shaded your M60 with a lighter shade of desert tan that would work.



Great info. Any suggestions on what to use? Ive got Tamiya and Vallejo.

Thanks
tnker101
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 02:50 PM UTC
Can always lighten up the tan with a little white mixed in if your air brushing.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 04:37 PM UTC

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Can always lighten up the tan with a little white mixed in if your air brushing.



Would that be Carc Tan 686A Fs33446 mixed with a little white to "lighten" it up?

Others here have recommended Model Master Sand FS33531 which looks faded already, and once you do your weathering it brings it to the "right" faded tone.
Denimo
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 04:23 AM UTC

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Can always lighten up the tan with a little white mixed in if your air brushing.



Would that be Carc Tan 686A Fs33446 mixed with a little white to "lighten" it up?

Others here have recommended Model Master Sand FS33531 which looks faded already, and once you do your weathering it brings it to the "right" faded tone.



Thanks Ivan

I'll try both of these over time. I used 33531 to finish the C-HET and im happy with it. Id post a pic but damned if I can figure out the pic-loading aspect of this site.
Denimo
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 04:24 AM UTC

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Can always lighten up the tan with a little white mixed in if your air brushing.



Thanks for the tip.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 05:35 AM UTC

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Id post a pic but damned if I can figure out the pic-loading aspect of this site.



Is your picture uploaded at a site like imgur? if so all you need is the url for the image and click on to load the pic in the thread.

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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 05:39 AM UTC

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Id post a pic but damned if I can figure out the pic-loading aspect of this site.



Is your picture uploaded at a site like imgur? if so all you need is the url for the image and click on to load the pic in the thread.

Check the posts here USER SUPPORT



Thanks but my pics are on an ipad. I tried to upload one following?? That post but it wouldnt save to the file.
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Posted: Friday, May 15, 2020 - 09:39 AM UTC
One thing I forgot to mention. I was able to replicate, closely, Model Master Sand FS33351 with Mission Model Paints.

1:1.5 ratio MMP-038 to MMP-001

MMP-038 = US DESERT TAN MODERN
MMP-001 = WHITE
Denimo
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 08:14 AM UTC

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One thing I forgot to mention. I was able to replicate, closely, Model Master Sand FS33351 with Mission Model Paints.

1:1.5 ratio MMP-038 to MMP-001

MMP-038 = US DESERT TAN MODERN
MMP-001 = WHITE



Good info, I have an 8 pack of MM sand and some of their acylic too.

Just remembered, Vallejo Model Air makes for bad brushcoating. Could it be thickened?
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 08:53 AM UTC

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Vallejo Model Air makes for bad brushcoating. Could it be thickened?



I don't know about thickening but I just finished a 3 tone Spitfire.
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It took 3 coats of ModelAir to get an absolute perfect finish using a 1/4in.wide flat brush.

So if your up to painting the model with 2-3 coats, give it a go.

Cheers,
Denimo
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Posted: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 - 08:35 AM UTC
Its only the more finicky areas I need to brush. I airbrush just about everything else.

Thanks for the tip though.
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Posted: Friday, May 22, 2020 - 04:00 AM UTC

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One thing I forgot to mention. I was able to replicate, closely, Model Master Sand FS33351 with Mission Model Paints.

1:1.5 ratio MMP-038 to MMP-001

MMP-038 = US DESERT TAN MODERN
MMP-001 = WHITE



Fantastic! Thank you for this! Frankly, I have always hated Model Master paints, the acrylic in particular, but I used the Sand (4720) to paint my M1A1/A2 tanks because HeavyArty, our resident US armor expert, has always said that this is the best stuff to use. I've tried to create mixes for Tamiya paints, and I've come close, but never felt that I had really nailed it. I am moving in the direction of Mission Model paints, so your post could not have come at a better time, for me!
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Posted: Monday, June 15, 2020 - 05:04 AM UTC

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One thing I forgot to mention. I was able to replicate, closely, Model Master Sand FS33351 with Mission Model Paints.

1:1.5 ratio MMP-038 to MMP-001

MMP-038 = US DESERT TAN MODERN
MMP-001 = WHITE



Fantastic! Thank you for this! Frankly, I have always hated Model Master paints, the acrylic in particular, but I used the Sand (4720) to paint my M1A1/A2 tanks because HeavyArty, our resident US armor expert, has always said that this is the best stuff to use. I've tried to create mixes for Tamiya paints, and I've come close, but never felt that I had really nailed it. I am moving in the direction of Mission Model paints, so your post could not have come at a better time, for me!



Dont like MM much either but like you I follow HA's advice. FWIW I found Tamiya Buff to be a passable match for Vallejo u s desert armor.
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Posted: Monday, June 15, 2020 - 07:11 AM UTC
Model Master British Gulf Armor Light with Model Master White added until you get the fading you want.
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Posted: Monday, June 15, 2020 - 03:06 PM UTC
Well, I might as well toss in my monkey wrench.
I was a Tank commander on M60A1's in ODS. The sand-colored paint on my tank was sprayed on in the port. We picked them up in green then installed the ERA armor then painted the tanks. For the most part, it was frequently overcast for days at a time either cloud or smoke. Fading was not an issue for us. There was minor wear right around the edge of the hatch openings where the sand paint wore down to the green. Dust was not an issue where we were, it was more sand and that didn't create many weathering opportunities. That winter was one of the wettest on record there. There were times I had a good deal of mud on the tank. From the time they were painted to the time we turned them in was only 6 months, not enough time for much fading. There were a few grease and oil stains.

A side note is that the oil smoke stained any cloth on the tank. Our uniforms were ragged because there was no uniform resupply so they were torn and worn. The smoke stained them a gray tinted color and the flag we flew was stained gray. After we got back to the US I washed and drycleaned the flag and uniforms to clean the gray out but had no success.
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2020 - 04:50 AM UTC
Thanks Greg. Useful information and belies the "everything bleached under a blazing sun" mindset.
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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2020 - 05:14 AM UTC
I agree with Greg here. The issue was not fading, but pealing and rubbing off. The paint used was really cheap ane locally bought in Saudi. Much of it was house paint; anything a sand color. You can see how it peeled and wore down quickly below.





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Posted: Friday, June 19, 2020 - 06:34 AM UTC
Thanks Gino. Helpful as ever!