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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2020 - 02:33 PM UTC

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You obviously have never seen Seattlites and their coffee consumption. Blood drives don't group blood by types but by caffeine levels. You got Americano, macchiato, cappuccino and the rarest blood type of all, triple shot caramel grande latte half soy half oatmilk with just a pinch of cocoa.



But... but... what do tea-drinkers like me do for transfusions in Seattle? We're DOOMED!!!!



Asking for a cup of tea with a British accent would probably get you carried out of town on a rail wearing a fancy costume made of tar and feathers ...



If you are looking for a good cup of tea in the U.S. you are on the wrong continent dude. I discovered brit tea while stationed in Berlin and working with the Brits on T-berg. Every day, except Sunday, the NAFFI gut truck would arrive loaded with all kinds of goodness. Brotchens stuffed with all kinds of stuffings, eggs, cheese (so gooey and cheesy and slightly oniony), liverwurst, ham, fresh pastries and several urns of british tea. Creamy, sweet and strong. Haven't found its equal since I came back in 89.

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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2020 - 02:23 PM UTC
California checking in here. We are on our 21st day of 'shelter in place' In Santa Cruz County (just south of the bay Area) we have 69 cases and one death. The death was a man who worked in San Jose where the virus is rampant. We had shortages on toilet paper and chicken but things are evening out and you can find those items if you shop early. Stores are only allowing 10-15 people in at a time and of course we have 'social distancing' As of last Friday it is now mandatory to wear a mask when out in public. Oh, and you can only be out for specific reasons ie; necessity shopping, Dr. appointments, etc. Here, all the state and county parks have been closed and parking areas roped off -you can get a citation or in worst case arrested if you go hiking or biking in a park. Most everything is closed except take out restaurants, grocery stores, marijuana dispensaries (yes-in cali I guess marijuana is considered essential) and auto repair shops (?) Schools have been shut down since March 6 and will remain closed for the rest of the school year.
My wife and I have gone through all the shelves and cupboards and cleaned/reorganized/dumped. It's amazing what you can accumulate over 35 years in the same house.
I am hoping this ends soon but not holding my breath. I am very thankful that I don't live in a large metropolitan area as we have less crazies here in the mountains.
Well, wishing you all the best.........
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Personally I'm fine. My main concern is my elderly dad but other than that I'm enjoying the time off work. Actually its made very little difference in my daily routine, which I suppose is a bit sad (note to self; when this is all over get out more).

As far as modelling it would be great but I can't do any airbrushing because I don't have a mask. I threw out my old one because I lost all confidence in it. I had two projects near completion and just did as much as I could. Now I'm kinda stuck. I can't even do some busy work on the Sherman that's on the top of my stash and I'd barely started because I don't have any extra thin cement.

So modelling just ground to a halt, which is frustrating.

Hope you fellas are safe.
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Posted: Saturday, April 04, 2020 - 02:41 AM UTC

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You obviously have never seen Seattlites and their coffee consumption. Blood drives don't group blood by types but by caffeine levels. You got Americano, macchiato, cappuccino and the rarest blood type of all, triple shot caramel grande latte half soy half oatmilk with just a pinch of cocoa.



But... but... what do tea-drinkers like me do for transfusions in Seattle? We're DOOMED!!!!



Asking for a cup of tea with a British accent would probably get you carried out of town on a rail wearing a fancy costume made of tar and feathers ...
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Posted: Saturday, April 04, 2020 - 02:00 AM UTC

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You obviously have never seen Seattlites and their coffee consumption. Blood drives don't group blood by types but by caffeine levels. You got Americano, macchiato, cappuccino and the rarest blood type of all, triple shot caramel grande latte half soy half oatmilk with just a pinch of cocoa.



But... but... what do tea-drinkers like me do for transfusions in Seattle? We're DOOMED!!!!
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Still doing good in WNC,we have a stay at home-Stay safe order,no panic buying,stores are well stocked except TP and sanitizing stuff,although it could be had time to time.Only 22 cases in my county,maybe we are flattening the curve.I am retired,so emplyment not a problem,we are homebodies so not doing terribly not going out much just groceries,restaurant take out,and walking.In another 28 days,well who knows.Had a vacation planned mid May,probably not gonna happen.
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2020 - 11:27 AM UTC

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we just got an emergency text on the iPhones - Governor has mandated statewide quarantine until the end of April for Louisiana



Quarantine or “shelter in place”/ “stay at home” or “closing non-essential businesses”? There is a big difference. Quarantine implies nobody moves, goes anywhere, in or out, for anything, unless it’s sanctioned, controlled and purposed by the governing authority. It also “implies” martial law to do the controlling over a large area. I can’t believe the whole state of Louisiana is “quarantined”— sure you got that right? I don’t see it on any news anywhere, and that would be big news. Wuhan and Hubei province in China were quarantined. I used to write plans for bio-quarantines and natural disasters. Quarantine is a really big deal— if this is true, Louisiana would be the first (and only) state to take that step, and it’s doubtful it could happen without the Federal Government getting involved. Unless it’s for a relatively small geographic area (like a single city).
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we just got an emergency text on the iPhones - Governor has mandated statewide quarantine until the end of April for Louisiana
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2020 - 08:56 AM UTC
I intentionally went with numbers that would give an underestimation and I couldn't be bothered with finding the correct number of inhabitants in the tributary area
Less people results in more cups per person and smaller cups (2 oz) would raise the number of cups by almost 1/3.

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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2020 - 07:29 AM UTC

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Puget Sound average outflow 41000 cu/ft per second.
Population in Washington state: 7.536 million in 2018
1 cu ft = 957 ounces and an espresso cup should be somewhere around 2-3 ounces so a cu ft is about 320 espresso cups at 3 ounces.
The average outflow through Puget Sound is therefore
41000 x 319 = 13.1 million espresso cups per second.
This means that every living human soul in all of Washington state needs to consume 1.7 cups of espresso every second 24-7 .....
There is definitely traceable levels of caffeine but that measn very little since modern analysis instruments would be able to detect a single cup of espresso diluted in all of Puget Sound.
The levels of caffeine in Puget sound are probably down at almost homeopathic levels ...

/ Robin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puget_Sound



Robin,
As a denizen of Puget Sound (I live two blocks from the Sound), and having two advanced degrees (and a good calculator, which is more important), I can state I checked your math and it’s right on. However, not all of those 7.5 Mil. folks living in Washington State actually access rivers draining into Puget Sound. The State is divided into two halves by the Cascade range of mountains, As the watershed for the Cascades drains east and west, the east outflow is to the Columbia and Snake River Basins. In fact, the second most populated city in the State is Spokane, On the east side of the State. Therefore, only part of the 7.5 Million populace’s caffeine total goes into the Sound. Given this fact, even less caffeine is dumped into the Sound than you’ve calculated. . However, there have been high levels of various pharmaceuticals detected in fish in the Sound, not caffeine. So our fish are easy to catch because they’re drugged, and easily fooled, rather than hard to catch because they’re fast and hyper. I just love these urban myths.
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2020 - 06:48 AM UTC

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Puget Sound average outflow 41000 cu/ft per second.
Population in Washington state: 7.536 million in 2018
1 cu ft = 957 ounces and an espresso cup should be somewhere around 2-3 ounces so a cu ft is about 320 espresso cups at 3 ounces.
The average outflow through Puget Sound is therefore
41000 x 319 = 13.1 million espresso cups per second.
This means that every living human soul in all of Washington state needs to consume 1.7 cups of espresso every second 24-7 .....
There is definitely traceable levels of caffeine but that measn very little since modern analysis instruments would be able to detect a single cup of espresso diluted in all of Puget Sound.
The levels of caffeine in Puget sound are probably down at almost homeopathic levels ...

/ Robin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puget_Sound



You obviously have never seen Seattlites and their coffee consumption. Blood drives don't group blood by types but by caffeine levels. You got Americano, macchiato, cappuccino and the rarest blood type of all, triple shot caramel grande latte half soy half oatmilk with just a pinch of cocoa.
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2020 - 05:41 AM UTC
Puget Sound average outflow 41000 cu/ft per second.
Population in Washington state: 7.536 million in 2018
1 cu ft = 957 ounces and an espresso cup should be somewhere around 2-3 ounces so a cu ft is about 320 espresso cups at 3 ounces.
The average outflow through Puget Sound is therefore
41000 x 319 = 13.1 million espresso cups per second.
This means that every living human soul in all of Washington state needs to consume 1.7 cups of espresso every second 24-7 .....
There is definitely traceable levels of caffeine but that measn very little since modern analysis instruments would be able to detect a single cup of espresso diluted in all of Puget Sound.
The levels of caffeine in Puget sound are probably down at almost homeopathic levels ...

/ Robin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puget_Sound
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My wife has a university degree in psychology (some of her studying rubbed off on me too but don't tell anyone).
In one of the courses they were informed about SSRI medication and the teacher claimed that there was enough of the stuff in the potable water in London (UK) and Paris (France) to give everyone in those cities a daily dose of it. She told me and I said BS and then used some simple maths to show that there was no way to do the maths in this universe to get the sums right.
A university teacher can fall for wild conspiracy theories too ....

Maths and argumantation below if someone is interested.
/ Robin


London gets its potable water from purification plants which take their raw water from the river Thames (upstream). The, ahem, "used" water is discharged downstream.
At that time the population of London was about 8 to 9 millions. Let's say 8. If 8 million people were to get their daily doses from the upstream raw water that water has to contain those doses so 8 million people upstrem from London need to consume those doses first and then "pass water" into the Thames. The population upstream of London is less than 8 millions but let us assume that it is 8 milions or even 16 millions.
If we assume that 16 million people upstream of London discharge their "water" into the Thames then the cross section of the Thames would contain sufficient doses of SSRI. To get all those doses the water purification plants would need to take all the water, every single drop of it, which would leave the Thames riverbed dry downstream of the purification plants. The Thames is still flowing downstream of the purification plants so the purification plants do not take all the water so let us assume that they take half of it. This volume would still contain 8 million doses.
Do the Londoners drink every drop of the water? No they do not. The shower, take baths, flush their toilets, run dishwashers and washing machines, water their lawns occasionally, wash cars and all the other uses we have for our water. The consumed water is possibly only a tenth of the potable water that flows through London every day. The total population of the UK was somewhere around 66 million (57 to 58 million outside London) in 2018 so even if every single soul outside of London ate SSRI medication daily and they all p-ed into the Thames there still would not be enough SSRI in the water to supply all of London.
The number of SSRI users in the UK in 2018 was less than 8 million ....



Talk about contaminated water. A few years ago I read some news, can't remember where now, that said the lower Puget Sound is caffeinated. The story is that so much coffee is consumed in Seattle that the waste water, after treatment, going into the sound carries the caffeine and the lower Sound has more caffeine than it a shot of espresso. Considering the amount of caffeine consumed in my neighborhood I could almost believe that. There are 4 coffee shops/coffee stands in a five minute walk from my house. They are really popular with the local high school, as soon as the school lets out for lunch the campus empties of 10-12 graders and they all line up for their hourly dose of caffeine.
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I actually have the science; it's my job as a science teacher. However, I have some colleagues who got their jobs because of their coaching abilities and not their education.

But it's true; the vast majority have no clue as they were too busy not paying attention in class because "When will I ever need this stuff? I'm going to be a famous 'INSERT UNLIKELY TO OCCUR CAREER HERE'." And BTW, the average education level in the U.S. is around 8th/9th grade.



8th/9th grade?

That high?

Now that is a good April Fool's joke.



It just means that they spent time in school in 8th/9th grade, this does not imply that they left school with a complete set of knowledge and understanding ....



Right on target Robin.
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I actually have the science; it's my job as a science teacher. However, I have some colleagues who got their jobs because of their coaching abilities and not their education.

But it's true; the vast majority have no clue as they were too busy not paying attention in class because "When will I ever need this stuff? I'm going to be a famous 'INSERT UNLIKELY TO OCCUR CAREER HERE'." And BTW, the average education level in the U.S. is around 8th/9th grade.



8th/9th grade?

That high?

Now that is a good April Fool's joke.



It just means that they spent time in school in 8th/9th grade, this does not imply that they left school with a complete set of knowledge and understanding ....
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My wife has a university degree in psychology (some of her studying rubbed off on me too but don't tell anyone).
In one of the courses they were informed about SSRI medication and the teacher claimed that there was enough of the stuff in the potable water in London (UK) and Paris (France) to give everyone in those cities a daily dose of it. She told me and I said BS and then used some simple maths to show that there was no way to do the maths in this universe to get the sums right.
A university teacher can fall for wild conspiracy theories too ....

Maths and argumantation below if someone is interested.
/ Robin


London gets its potable water from purification plants which take their raw water from the river Thames (upstream). The, ahem, "used" water is discharged downstream.
At that time the population of London was about 8 to 9 millions. Let's say 8. If 8 million people were to get their daily doses from the upstream raw water that water has to contain those doses so 8 million people upstrem from London need to consume those doses first and then "pass water" into the Thames. The population upstream of London is less than 8 millions but let us assume that it is 8 milions or even 16 millions.
If we assume that 16 million people upstream of London discharge their "water" into the Thames then the cross section of the Thames would contain sufficient doses of SSRI. To get all those doses the water purification plants would need to take all the water, every single drop of it, which would leave the Thames riverbed dry downstream of the purification plants. The Thames is still flowing downstream of the purification plants so the purification plants do not take all the water so let us assume that they take half of it. This volume would still contain 8 million doses.
Do the Londoners drink every drop of the water? No they do not. The shower, take baths, flush their toilets, run dishwashers and washing machines, water their lawns occasionally, wash cars and all the other uses we have for our water. The consumed water is possibly only a tenth of the potable water that flows through London every day. The total population of the UK was somewhere around 66 million (57 to 58 million outside London) in 2018 so even if every single soul outside of London ate SSRI medication daily and they all p-ed into the Thames there still would not be enough SSRI in the water to supply all of London.
The number of SSRI users in the UK in 2018 was less than 8 million ....
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I actually have the science; it's my job as a science teacher. However, I have some colleagues who got their jobs because of their coaching abilities and not their education.

But it's true; the vast majority have no clue as they were too busy not paying attention in class because "When will I ever need this stuff? I'm going to be a famous 'INSERT UNLIKELY TO OCCUR CAREER HERE'." And BTW, the average education level in the U.S. is around 8th/9th grade.



8th/9th grade?

That high?

Now that is a good April Fool's joke.
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I actually have the science; it's my job as a science teacher. However, I have some colleagues who got their jobs because of their coaching abilities and not their education.

But it's true; the vast majority have no clue as they were too busy not paying attention in class because "When will I ever need this stuff? I'm going to be a famous 'INSERT UNLIKELY TO OCCUR CAREER HERE'." And BTW, the average education level in the U.S. is around 8th/9th grade.
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And therein lies the problem with the internet. Every hack, quack, conspiracy theorist, political rumpus rouser and nut can print whatever they want. It used to be they came around town in a wagon and sold Carmel colored “cure all elixir” “charlatan” “snake oil” water in a bottle until somebody found out, and ran them out of town on a rail after they’d been dutifully tarred and feathered. To bad we can’t do that today. It’s also what bothers me a bit about this current situation we’re in— half the folks out there never made it past basic high school algebra or biology, and have no idea about the science it takes to understand the difference between a bacteria and a virus, let alone terms like exponential growth or mutation. Yet they automatically believe all the hacks out there, because they have just enough “‘net education” to make them darn dangerous to themselves and others. In short, everybody can comment (including yours truly-this commentator), it doesn’t matter if they have a clue or not, and some gullible soul will believe them.
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Mark of the beast? 666?
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Well the old guy didn't like to have his conspiracy disproved...



Probably didn't like being called out for being stupid enough to believe that stuff too. My wife's grandfather fell for the old "Microsoft will pay you $1200 per email you send" scam that went around for a while. When I told him it was not true he sent one last pissy email to me and we never got another email from him ever again.
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Have any of you heard the rumor about the Covid-19 vaccine? Acquaintances of mine told me this morning they read on the internet that when the Covid-19 vaccine is found it will be mandatory and it will contain a Rfid implant. That this virus is to bring about the 'one world government' and get rid of cash for a completely cashless society.

As I said before there should be a minimum IQ required to use the internet.



Just like any pandemic in the past, societies will change afterwards. There is lots of vaccines that are already mandatory or dang near. So if any is found it may or may not make the cut. The normal flu vaccine does not at this time. I doubt it will have an RFID chip but a few news article have talked about tracking people infected people with bands. There is also a number of articles grading social distancing through your phones rfid and finally there has been talk of a cashless society before this, social distancing and germs on money do make for an easier change to a cashless society. So it's not all straight out crazy pants.




Just be aware of what day today is
VR, Russ



No they're quite serious about the whole thing with the Rfid, they are an elderly couple and the guy is 80+ and a major conspiracy believer. He believes in colloidal silver would cure the virus and all other major health issues and diseases.

He then said all vaccines contain anti freeze. I asked him did it say ethylene glycol or propylene glycol? He went to the site and read me the paragraph and the author said propylene glycol was being used in the vaccines and the main use for propylene glycol was anti-freeze. I laughed and said don't believe every thing you read on the internet. And he argued the man who ran the website was a genius. I kept laughing and asked if he had any kind frosting or e-cig vaping juice and he got some of both. I had him read the ingredients list and sure enough there was propylene glycol. I told them that ethylene glycol was used in antifreeze and was poisonous.
Well the old guy didn't like to have his conspiracy disproved so he went to his computer room and I explained to his wife that propylene glycol was a safe food additive used all over including medicines and it was used in the drinks her husband has to use to flush his gut out with prior to a colonoscopy, same as me. She told me thanks and said you know how he is, everything is a conspiracy. I said goodbye and got ready for bed. Now that I've finished typing I can get some sleep.
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Have any of you heard the rumor about the Covid-19 vaccine? Acquaintances of mine told me this morning they read on the internet that when the Covid-19 vaccine is found it will be mandatory and it will contain a Rfid implant. That this virus is to bring about the 'one world government' and get rid of cash for a completely cashless society.

As I said before there should be a minimum IQ required to use the internet.



Just like any pandemic in the past, societies will change afterwards. There is lots of vaccines that are already mandatory or dang near. So if any is found it may or may not make the cut. The normal flu vaccine does not at this time. I doubt it will have an RFID chip but a few news article have talked about tracking people infected people with bands. There is also a number of articles grading social distancing through your phones rfid and finally there has been talk of a cashless society before this, social distancing and germs on money do make for an easier change to a cashless society. So it's not all straight out crazy pants.




Just be aware of what day today is
VR, Russ



Dang it Bobby!

And I even tricked one of my kids into believing he would have to repeat the whole year? He was ok with second semester but fighting me on first semester classes he already passed.
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Have any of you heard the rumor about the Covid-19 vaccine? Acquaintances of mine told me this morning they read on the internet that when the Covid-19 vaccine is found it will be mandatory and it will contain a Rfid implant. That this virus is to bring about the 'one world government' and get rid of cash for a completely cashless society.

As I said before there should be a minimum IQ required to use the internet.



Just like any pandemic in the past, societies will change afterwards. There is lots of vaccines that are already mandatory or dang near. So if any is found it may or may not make the cut. The normal flu vaccine does not at this time. I doubt it will have an RFID chip but a few news article have talked about tracking people infected people with bands. There is also a number of articles grading social distancing through your phones rfid and finally there has been talk of a cashless society before this, social distancing and germs on money do make for an easier change to a cashless society. So it's not all straight out crazy pants.




Just be aware of what day today is
VR, Russ
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Have any of you heard the rumor about the Covid-19 vaccine? Acquaintances of mine told me this morning they read on the internet that when the Covid-19 vaccine is found it will be mandatory and it will contain a Rfid implant. That this virus is to bring about the 'one world government' and get rid of cash for a completely cashless society.

As I said before there should be a minimum IQ required to use the internet.



Just like any pandemic in the past, societies will change afterwards. There is lots of vaccines that are already mandatory or dang near. So if any is found it may or may not make the cut. The normal flu vaccine does not at this time. I doubt it will have an RFID chip but a few news article have talked about tracking people infected people with bands. There is also a number of articles grading social distancing through your phones rfid and finally there has been talk of a cashless society before this, social distancing and germs on money do make for an easier change to a cashless society. So it's not all straight out crazy pants.