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MkIV Male unditching beam colours?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - 04:17 PM UTC
I'm building Tamiya's MkIV Male and I'm not sure whether to paint certain parts like the bolts, ends etc a rusty/silver colour? The only painting guide I can make out is it says to paint it the overall colour Tamiya 64.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - 04:50 PM UTC
According to the Haynes guide on the Mk IV, the beams were reinforced wood with metal wrapped reinforced ends and in some cases two sides, all held together by bolts. The beams were left in natural wood, or painted the same color as the vehicle. As the paint wore off the metal l’ll bet there was quite a bit of weathering and rust.
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Posted: Thursday, February 20, 2020 - 02:55 AM UTC
You can see in this pic the plates and end caps, as mentioned by Russ.

I would paint the beam natural wood color(Tamiya Deck Tan) and wash and weather in different shades of brown and gray.

Rust up the metal plates and bolts if your are depicting a well used tank.

Tamiya XF 64 may be too dark, for an overall color, in my opinion.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/British_Mark_IV_Male_tank_%E2%80%98Lodestar_III%E2%80%99_%2834936723702%29.jpg

Click on image to enlarge.

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Posted: Thursday, February 20, 2020 - 11:55 AM UTC
Do you build WWI aircraft models by chance? It is common with those to have to reproduce natural wood finishes as you are probably going to do with the beams on the tank.

The Wingnut Wings website has a tutorial you can look at.

Basic idea is to paint the beam an underlying raw "wood" color like Tamiya flesh, deck tan, buff, etc...and then take a sponge (once dry) and smear oil based artist paint over the beam. Any sort of dark brown type of color works well. Once the wood grain is on the beam, clear coat it, and then you can weather it like crazy to make it look old or faded or oxidized or mud slopped on it or whatever you want!

That is what I would do at least! Good luck with it.

The sponge technique:

http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/hintsandtips
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 05:47 PM UTC
Thanks guys. I couldn't find much clear info when I did a search so that's very helpful (and yes ringleheim I do build WW1 aircraft but that link is very helpful too to brush up on skills).

So just to be really clear the wooden beam is sandwiched between 2 long thin pieces of metal with bolts and the ends are also metal?
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 06:41 PM UTC

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Thanks guys. I couldn't find much clear info when I did a search so that's very helpful (and yes ringleheim I do build WW1 aircraft but that link is very helpful too to brush up on skills).

So just to be really clear the wooden beam is sandwiched between 2 long thin pieces of metal with bolts and the ends are also metal?



Yes—Sandwiched between two long strips held together by bolts, but there are two types of ends I’ve seen in photos— one is a full cap, the other is just a strap wrapped around the end and riveted on. Also, some photos look like the metal parts are painted, while others show the whole thing as painted, but it’s hard to tell really, could be some type of coating, or just covered in embedded dirt.
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 11:54 AM UTC
Cheers for that. Looking at the built Tamiya beam also is there a possibility that the back was metal also? The reason I ask is because Tamiya has made it so it looks like the back is part of the 2 other sides and there's also 2 small parts on the back that stick out. It looks like the top, back and lower sides are all one piece with the wooden bit in the middle.
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 04:01 PM UTC

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Cheers for that. Looking at the built Tamiya beam also is there a possibility that the back was metal also? The reason I ask is because Tamiya has made it so it looks like the back is part of the 2 other sides and there's also 2 small parts on the back that stick out. It looks like the top, back and lower sides are all one piece with the wooden bit in the middle.



Not sure about that. The beams were a bit wedge shaped or tapered on the short axis according to the Haynes guide for the MK IV. Doesn’t seem like it would be practical to make a “box” on three sides that way. They were made so they wouldn’t “roll” when a track was driven over them, like a wedge, otherwise they’d have a tendency to damage and wear “square” corners under a track. My understanding is they were “chained” or clipped” to the track links via a grouser, and moved around the circumference of the tank to assist in climbing out of a mire or ditch— that’s what those rails on the top of the vehicle are all about. Must have been a muddy, dirty job. But I think they had metal on two sides and wood on two sides.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - 02:23 PM UTC
Look at some model railroad sites for weathering wood and iron/steel.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - 04:42 PM UTC

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Cheers for that. Looking at the built Tamiya beam also is there a possibility that the back was metal also? The reason I ask is because Tamiya has made it so it looks like the back is part of the 2 other sides and there's also 2 small parts on the back that stick out. It looks like the top, back and lower sides are all one piece with the wooden bit in the middle.



Not sure about that. The beams were a bit wedge shaped or tapered on the short axis according to the Haynes guide for the MK IV. Doesn’t seem like it would be practical to make a “box” on three sides that way. They were made so they wouldn’t “roll” when a track was driven over them, like a wedge, otherwise they’d have a tendency to damage and wear “square” corners under a track. My understanding is they were “chained” or clipped” to the track links via a grouser, and moved around the circumference of the tank to assist in climbing out of a mire or ditch— that’s what those rails on the top of the vehicle are all about. Must have been a muddy, dirty job. But I think they had metal on two sides and wood on two sides.




Yes that's probably the case. Cheers!
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Posted: Thursday, February 27, 2020 - 04:31 PM UTC
Guys whilst searching I came across this....

http://www.armorama.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=245521&page=1

Basically I asked the same thing a while back. And not only a while back.......but 4 years ago.

I'd completely forgotten about it. I pretty much remember almost finishing the tank around then but lost the beam shortly after asking about it in that thread and it's only a few weeks ago I've found it again and decided to finish both tank and beam off for good. I also didn't think I'd had the kit that long. Talk about time flying!
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