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Posted: Friday, December 06, 2019 - 07:59 AM UTC
Im building the Trumpy LAV-R using the Blackdog equipment pack and need some advice on the colors of the various pieces of equipment BD provide.

Any links, pics or advice on colors would be appreciated
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Posted: Friday, December 06, 2019 - 08:33 AM UTC
Can you show a pic of the equipment set you are using? If so, we can probably point you in the right direction.
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Posted: Friday, December 06, 2019 - 04:38 PM UTC
Black Dog kit contents.
http://www.blackdog.cz/products/t35/t35118/1.jpg
http://www.blackdog.cz/products/t35/t35118/2.jpg
http://www.blackdog.cz/products/t35/t35118/3.jpg
http://www.blackdog.cz/products/t35/t35118/4.jpg
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Posted: Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 04:28 AM UTC
Thanks Hermann B.

Thats the set im working with. The various containers have me stumped for colors.

Or was all equipment just painted sand color?

Thanks all.
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Posted: Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 05:21 PM UTC
Hi Dennis,
it depends upon the timeframe you want to build. The MOLLE rucksack call for OIF/OEF. The water cans are light tan. Boxes on top are forest green. MRE boxes are cardboard brown. Field beds aluminum frame with forest green/OD sheet. Not sure if it would be wise to carry gas container on a combat vehicle. Litter/stretcher black. I wonder how they would have held the spare tire in place. Super glue
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Posted: Saturday, December 07, 2019 - 05:34 PM UTC
A simple google search can help in most cases. Or you go to our member Patrick Keenan War Wheels site.
http://www.warwheels.net/LAV25recoveryINDEX.html

For an advanced search I always recommend DVIDS site:

https://www.dvidshub.net/search/?q=Light+Armored+Vehicle+Recovery&view=grid

Be aware that DVIDS requires different search parameters.

HTH
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Posted: Sunday, December 08, 2019 - 04:18 AM UTC

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Not sure if it would be wise to carry gas container on a combat vehicle.



Since the -R variant is kept with the trains unless it's actually doing a recovery, it's not a combat vehicle. The mechs in my company carried stuff you wouldn't associate with a combat vehicle - the vehicle I called home for 7 months carried a toilet seat in the bustle rack and it was a LAV-25 in a line platoon.

On the litter(stretcher, same-same) the bed portion is a black meshy monofilament material the hardware is the standard green.

If you want an accurate -R you're going to need the Eduard PE set because there are some parts Trumpeter oversimplified or left out that are included in it. I'll be happy to help you with info if I can since I spent a deployment with an LAR company.

Doc
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Posted: Sunday, December 08, 2019 - 06:55 AM UTC

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Hi Dennis,
it depends upon the timeframe you want to build. The MOLLE rucksack call for OIF/OEF. The water cans are light tan. Boxes on top are forest green. MRE boxes are cardboard brown. Field beds aluminum frame with forest green/OD sheet. Not sure if it would be wise to carry gas container on a combat vehicle. Litter/stretcher black. I wonder how they would have held the spare tire in place. Super glue



Thanks Herman. Very helpful.
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Posted: Sunday, December 08, 2019 - 07:03 AM UTC

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Not sure if it would be wise to carry gas container on a combat vehicle.



Since the -R variant is kept with the trains unless it's actually doing a recovery, it's not a combat vehicle. The mechs in my company carried stuff you wouldn't associate with a combat vehicle - the vehicle I called home for 7 months carried a toilet seat in the bustle rack and it was a LAV-25 in a line platoon.

On the litter(stretcher, same-same) the bed portion is a black meshy monofilament material the hardware is the standard green.

If you want an accurate -R you're going to need the Eduard PE set because there are some parts Trumpeter oversimplified or left out that are included in it. I'll be happy to help you with info if I can since I spent a deployment with an LAR company.

Doc



Thanks Doc. Just about finished this now and from the looks of things the BD set covers some of the side hull shortcomings. Ill build another one in time and use the Eduard set as you suggest, probably in NATO tritone.

From your time on LAV: The lpg tank and smaller bottle, what colour should those be?

Cheers

Denimo



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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2019 - 01:40 AM UTC

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The lpg tank and smaller bottle, what colour should those be?



Propane (LPG) tanks are not commonly carried on US AFVs. I'm not sure why Black Dog keeps adding them to their sets. The larger and smaller ones both look like propane bottles to me. I would leave them off.
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2019 - 02:03 AM UTC
We used them as heaters in our hooches, so every team member pretty much had his own he was responsible for insuring stayed full. There's a square shaped heating element with a reflector you can screw into the bottles.
That's how most team funds get spent - "Gas" and "Lumber."
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2019 - 03:21 AM UTC
The propane bottles were pretty much the same colors you see everywhere, white, tan, etc. like I said the -R was an asset that remained with the trains, the LPG bottle would have stayed at the FOB (our mechs were pretty resourceful about the creature comforts, they had a jury rigged gas grill at our last FOB running off one of those bottles); if the unit were on a move that is about the only time you would have seen it on a vehicle outside the wire - or if they were getting a refill on the economy.

Doc
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2019 - 06:42 AM UTC

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Not sure if it would be wise to carry gas container on a combat vehicle.



Since the -R variant is kept with the trains unless it's actually doing a recovery, it's not a combat vehicle. The mechs in my company carried stuff you wouldn't associate with a combat vehicle - the vehicle I called home for 7 months carried a toilet seat in the bustle rack and it was a LAV-25 in a line platoon.

On the litter(stretcher, same-same) the bed portion is a black meshy monofilament material the hardware is the standard green.

If you want an accurate -R you're going to need the Eduard PE set because there are some parts Trumpeter oversimplified or left out that are included in it. I'll be happy to help you with info if I can since I spent a deployment with an LAR company.

Doc



I notice in the Eduard pic theres a bracket/clip in pe under the end of the crane boom. The Trumpy pe set includes a couple extra pieces besides the 3 piece exhaust cover and engine grilles.
If I can find the Eduard pe instructions somewhere I'll see if theres any link between the 2.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 - 03:56 AM UTC
Trumpy forgot a section of the lifting sling and oversimplified what they included, the Eduard set addresses that shortcoming as well as several others. The actual lifting sling is T shaped with the long arm passing beneath the boom, not sure what Trumpy was thinking when they missed that...
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 - 05:41 AM UTC
Thanks Doc

I'll include the Eduard kit in the next LAV-R build, once Ive learned NATO tritone.

Denimo
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Posted: Friday, December 13, 2019 - 11:12 AM UTC

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If I can find the Eduard pe instructions somewhere I'll see if theres any link between the 2.



https://www.eduard.com/Eduard/LAV-R-1-35.html?cur=2&listtype=search&searchparam=lav-r

https://www.eduard.com/out/media/36008.pdf
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Posted: Saturday, December 14, 2019 - 05:10 PM UTC
Thanks LC!
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Posted: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - 05:54 AM UTC

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Trumpy forgot a section of the lifting sling and oversimplified what they included, the Eduard set addresses that shortcoming as well as several others. The actual lifting sling is T shaped with the long arm passing beneath the boom, not sure what Trumpy was thinking when they missed that...



Noticed the hydraulic valve on one of the outrigger arms is the wrong way up in the kit. Youd need to put the mounting pin on the other side of the cylinder to get it right.

Havent saved the pic but the valve is either above or below the cylinder on both sides.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - 07:40 AM UTC
Building the LAV-R myself, I noticed some "minor mistakes". The crane needs a complete makeover since it`s simplified. Also, the area where the crane is mounted on the roof is flat, not put into the angled roof. The shape of the commanders hatch also need to be checked. Best will be a thorough internet research, then adressing the errors and correct it.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - 09:39 AM UTC
Here are some pics of an Australian LAV-R on display at the Army Museum at Bandiana. It's an ex-USMC LAV-R that was part of the initial Australian Army trial of the LAV :
https://www.aussiemodeller.com.au/pages/History/Vehicle/Harvey_LAV-R.html

Not to be confused with the ASLAV-R

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - 05:11 PM UTC
More pics of the former USMC LAV-R on Primeportal.

http://www.primeportal.net/recovery/haydn_neal/aslav-r/
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Posted: Thursday, January 23, 2020 - 06:44 AM UTC

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Building the LAV-R myself, I noticed some "minor mistakes". The crane needs a complete makeover since it`s simplified. Also, the area where the crane is mounted on the roof is flat, not put into the angled roof. The shape of the commanders hatch also need to be checked. Best will be a thorough internet research, then adressing the errors and correct it.



Looking at those Aussie pics of a USMC LAV R the crane appears to me mounted as per the kit i.e.on the front hull section with the crane boom passing over the raised rear section.



Am I seeing this wrong?
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Posted: Thursday, January 23, 2020 - 08:00 AM UTC
Here you can see the flat section that I mean. Trumpeter has the crane base set into the angled roof. I cut out a 22mm by 22mm piece and set in a flat plate.
https://www.aussiemodeller.com.au/Images/History/Harvey/Harvey_LAVR/LAVR-31_V.jpg
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 05:24 AM UTC

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Here you can see the flat section that I mean. Trumpeter has the crane base set into the angled roof. I cut out a 22mm by 22mm piece and set in a flat plate.
https://www.aussiemodeller.com.au/Images/History/Harvey/Harvey_LAVR/LAVR-31_V.jpg



They must have corrected it then. My Trumpy LAV is exactly like that pic. Wish I knew how to attach pics, id be glad to send one.
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 05:38 AM UTC
Trumpeter 00370