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LonCray
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 12:32 AM UTC
Well, they can 3D print metal objects now - I wonder how hard a printed barrel with a bore extractor, muzzle brake and rifling would be?
Tank1812
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 12:50 AM UTC

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Well, they can 3D print metal objects now - I wonder how hard a printed barrel with a bore extractor, muzzle brake and rifling would be?



I don't think that hard but from items I recall seeing in metal cost prohibitive.
panzerbob01
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 04:22 AM UTC
Yes, you probably can get a model gun-barrel printed from metal... but why bother, when there are lots of great "old-school turned" metal barrels available - and at much more reasonable price?

Now... printing one at a suitable high resolution from one of the resins being used in 3d printers... THAT would get you a nice barrel with detailing, and that would likely be a cost-effective alternative. I can see a lot of potential there - you could have a great barrel with proper taper and configuration, much better details (than that seen on even great slide-molded styrene barrels - I'm thinking here of stuff like those thermal jackets and associated clamps seen on modern tank guns, for instance), and well-formed complex muzzle-brakes all in a ready-to-use one piece barrel - and you wouldn't need to use any of the complex AM PE stuff to build those clamps and jacket details, either!

All this would take RIGHT NOW would be for someone to create the driver file for the printer...!

3d printing will change a lot of things in our modeling hobby. No doubts about that!

Bob
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 05:08 AM UTC
Maybe in a few years I can get my dream kit, a 1/1 Panther A or G. Either or, not picky.
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 05:48 AM UTC

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Now... printing one at a suitable high resolution from one of the resins being used in 3d printers... THAT would get you a nice barrel with detailing, and that would likely be a cost-effective alternative. I can see a lot of potential there - you could have a great barrel with proper taper and configuration, much better details (than that seen on even great slide-molded styrene barrels - I'm thinking here of stuff like those thermal jackets and associated clamps seen on modern tank guns, for instance), and well-formed complex muzzle-brakes all in a ready-to-use one piece barrel - and you wouldn't need to use any of the complex AM PE stuff to build those clamps and jacket details, either!

All this would take RIGHT NOW would be for someone to create the driver file for the printer...!



They already exist and are available at Shapeways.

183mm L4 gun barrel for the Amusing Hobby 1/35 FV215b heavy tank.


120mm M256 gun barrel for the Meng 1/35 M1A1 and M1A2 kits.


Biggles2
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 10:46 AM UTC
Even the smoothest printing from Shapeways has what they call "slight grainy feel" - more like a sandpaper surface. They will never be as smooth as a turned barrel. You can sand but at the risk of eliminating some surface detail. Model Monkey and Reedoke use a different printing technique and are almost as smooth as a cast resin piece.

panzerbob01
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 06:56 PM UTC
I would be cautious about the "never"... 3d printing is currently limited in X x Y x Z resolution to maybe a few to several 1/1000 inch - but the technology continues to develop, and it will eventually hit and maybe even pass the 1/1000 inch "barrier" - at which point, it will be equal to the typical higher-quality machined and turned metal work, where 1/1000 inch is a reasonable standard for tolerance and fit (the tolerances of machined parts in your car engine, for example, are typically done to 1 - 1.5/1000 inch).

Metal model gun barrels are turned to 1- 2/1000 inch, when done well. When 3d printers attain that resolution, the finish of the printed parts will be pretty much the same as for milled metal work at that resolution. The printing media will likely support that resolution - the printer tech just needs to improve only a tad and it will be quite comparable to metal machining in terms of "grain" and surface finish. You will, of course, have to pay to get that quality of resolution...

Bob :-)
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 05:28 AM UTC

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Even the smoothest printing from Shapeways has what they call "slight grainy feel" - more like a sandpaper surface. They will never be as smooth as a turned barrel. You can sand but at the risk of eliminating some surface detail. Model Monkey and Reedoke use a different printing technique and are almost as smooth as a cast resin piece.




Honestly at this point Model Monkey's stuff is as smooth as anything I've scratchbuilt and puttied before the very last sanding. If nobody comes to my rescue with a 1/35 A43 Black Prince I'll do a track link in CAD and contract it out for printing and then just cast off of that. We're really at the point where a high end 3d printer is as good as taking you 90% of the way through scratchbuilding a part. It's not quite worth the CAD headache yet to me for a general scratchbuilt part but for things with symmetrical complex curves it's a time saver.
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