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Why Are IDF Figures SO Scarce?
long_tom
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 12:50 AM UTC
Unfortunately Meng's IDF figures are so badly done as to be unusable. While there are others, I was shocked by the fact that there are so few IDF figures available from anybody. You'd think they'd be commonplace.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 02:45 AM UTC
Sadly, ditto Cold War figures for the 60s/70s/80s; not that my comment adds much to the topic!

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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 03:43 AM UTC
Hmm, because nobody makes any?
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 04:33 AM UTC
Try Hobbyfan, DEF Models, and Valkyrie for the latest 1/35 ones.

You can probably also kitbash your own from spare IDF and U.S. soldier parts.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 06:29 AM UTC
As far as tank crew: a Google search showed up a pile of different resin sets and even an ancient Verlinden white metal set. Plenty if you want to go hunting.

But the thing is-- you got to go hunting. They don't grow on trees like German WW2 panzer crews seem to (especially SS guys pointing.)

I've seen people get good results with the Meng and even Academy sets.

But IDF infantry is really scarce. Best bet is to kitbash from other nationalities the best you can.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 07:58 AM UTC
If you're into the 1967 war, AC Models makes two paratroopers sets:





They've also released Centurion crew sets.

PS : neither of them is cheap (to say the least...)

Black Dog has released some IDF figures as well (set F35074) :



H.P.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 08:02 AM UTC
And, BlackDog do two sets of two grunts, too.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 08:48 AM UTC

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And, BlackDog do two sets of two grunts, too.



...and some female soldiers as well

H.P.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 09:35 AM UTC

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...and some female soldiers as well

H.P.



Yes, two tankers, two infantry figures. Thanks for reminding me, HP!

That’s 8 IDF figures from one manufacturer, Tom; how many are you looking for?

Also, Blast does a modern tank crew, too. And, I think, an Infantryman.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 09:38 AM UTC
The beauty of the Meng set is that the figures are multi-pose; hence I brought two boxes with a view to mixing parts. Only thing is, you buy the set for the box art, but the figures are more like the painting guide...
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 09:57 AM UTC
MENG also makes resin IDF backpacks, perhaps one of the weakest parts in the 1/35 IDF MENG figure kit. They're not cheap (about the cost of the MENG IDF figure kit), but should make the figures appear a lot better.

https://www.squadron.com/Meng-1-35-Modern-Individual-Load-Carrying-Equipmen-p/mmsps020.htm
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 10:07 AM UTC

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Unfortunately Meng's IDF figures are so badly done as to be unusable. While there are others, I was shocked by the fact that there are so few IDF figures available from anybody. You'd think they'd be commonplace.



Yes and you came out with a similar statement about DAK figures. It seems you just can't be bothered to look, the same as last time.

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=246778#2084943

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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 12:40 PM UTC
There's the Plamax/Max Factory IDF tankers as well. A little on the 'cheesy' side with the two women included, but the figures are pretty good and come with some accessories as well. Only real drawback - not widely available in the West. They have a modern Russian set as well. https://www.goodsmile.info/en/product/6392/PLAMAX+35+02+Israel+Defense+Forces+Tank+Crew+Set+1.html
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 01:43 PM UTC
Honestly; the list of what ISN'T available in affordable plastic is endless. Expensive resin alternatives that cost more for one figure than a box of plastics aren't an option for me. Best I can do is buy replacement heads and use my old Military Modelling magazines for hints on how to modify the closest looking uniforms.
Now the 100th anniversary of W.W. 1 has passed, I doubt we'll see many new additions to that era either.
I understand that manufacturers are looking to make money and W.W. 2 is their safest bet.
I suspect also that our beloved hobby is NOT expanding and drawing in new converts. We may in fact be entering the twilight years of big company plastic models. The future, I think, may belong to home 3D printing.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 02:00 PM UTC
You know I’ve thought the same thing, I’ve kinda figured it could be because Israel can be a touchy subject to a lot of people. Same reason why you don’t see a lot of Russian figures from the 90s , or at least it was to my understanding that 90s Russian figures weren’t in demand because of Grozny.
So it could be political ?
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 03:01 PM UTC

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Unfortunately Meng's IDF figures are so badly done as to be unusable. While there are others, I was shocked by the fact that there are so few IDF figures available from anybody. You'd think they'd be commonplace.



Yes and you came out with a similar statement about DAK figures. It seems you just can't be bothered to look, the same as last time.

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=246778#2084943



And I was right. Many of us would prefer to buy plastic kits instead of more expensive resin figures.

But despite all the figures of female IDF soldiers, in actual practice the IDF never had their women serve in frontline combat? Unless that's a myth or things changed recently.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 06:22 PM UTC

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There's the Plamax/Max Factory IDF tankers as well. A little on the 'cheesy' side with the two women included, but the figures are pretty good and come with some accessories as well. Only real drawback - not widely available in the West. They have a modern Russian set as well. https://www.goodsmile.info/en/product/6392/PLAMAX+35+02+Israel+Defense+Forces+Tank+Crew+Set+1.html



I love this set and was really happy when they reissued it - Max Factory do very short runs so they run out quick. I'm not sure what you meant by "cheesy", the two male crew are really well-rendered unlike the Meng/Trumpeter disappointments, and the female are both instructors/drill sergents according to the box.

I wish they'd do more series of these.
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 11:35 PM UTC

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There's the Plamax/Max Factory IDF tankers as well. A little on the 'cheesy' side with the two women included, but the figures are pretty good and come with some accessories as well.
https://www.goodsmile.info/en/product/6392/PLAMAX+35+02+Israel+Defense+Forces+Tank+Crew+Set+1.html



Another badly researched set: they all seem to wear standard IDF fatigues not tanker's overalls; these are better suited as APC crew. Also, the only armor units using Tavors are the recon units; no tankers equipped with Tavors.

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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 11:57 PM UTC

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As far as tank crew: a Google search showed up a pile of different resin sets and even an ancient Verlinden white metal set. Plenty if you want to go hunting.

But the thing is-- you got to go hunting. They don't grow on trees like German WW2 panzer crews seem to (especially SS guys pointing.)

I've seen people get good results with the Meng and even Academy sets.

But IDF infantry is really scarce. Best bet is to kitbash from other nationalities the best you can.



I must admit, laborious process though it is, I do enjoy some satisfaction once I have wrestled a figure into submission. They'll never win any awards and God knows I'm no Jerry Rutman but with Milliput, plastic card, some armament from various weapon sets, and my rather basic sculpting skills (normally limited to some prodding here and there with a cocktail stick) I can, on a good day, end up with something respectable. Mr Dissolved Putty is your friend here.

As someone once pointed out, the more you do, the better (and easier) they get, which is probably right - apart from being obvious!

Anyway, this is a long way of saying have a go; you might surprise yourself.

Brian
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Posted: Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 01:23 AM UTC
What's wrong with Meng's IDF figures Tom?
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Posted: Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 02:17 AM UTC

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If you're into the 1967 war, AC Models makes two paratroopers sets:



Ed Okun's build featuring this set: http://edokunscalemodelingpage.blogspot.com/2017/07/idf-m3-halftrack-with-soldiers-1967.html
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Posted: Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 05:04 AM UTC

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What's wrong with Meng's IDF figures Tom?
Dan


Very bad faces and hands; they don't fit well together. So I guess resin figures it will be.
And Black Dog seems to have a good selection.
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 08:18 PM UTC
There is also CMK and Materclub, https://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/page/advance_search_result.html, I think that rounds out the IDF figures question. If you edit the search for ‘IDF’, as opposed to ‘Israeli’, there’s more again.