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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 - 05:43 PM UTC
LOL, a case of extreme weathering.
Thanks, but I've made so many subtle mistakes on this kit, I'd like to make the big stuff look good.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 - 05:32 PM UTC
Or perhaps the ground crew got the wrong colour out of Stores when they touched up the messy repairs to that fuel tank?
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 - 05:17 PM UTC
OOPS, I tried to panel line the fuel tank. That didn't work so well, so I tried to repaint the center of the top. Looks like I used Chrome Yellow over Insignia Yellow top wing.

I'll have to try again with Insignia yellow.
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Posted: Sunday, September 22, 2019 - 06:23 AM UTC
Kudos! Mark on your bi-plane and that rigging. Good job.

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Posted: Sunday, September 22, 2019 - 02:08 AM UTC
Mark! It is starting to come alive now! Good decal work, I always run into trouble when handling big decals, not to mention the kind of wraparound like the one on the fuselage.



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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2019 - 06:12 PM UTC
OK, I fixed the rudder paint and re wired the tail plane.
Started on decals.

Revell decals, printed in Italy. They might be a bit thick but they snug down nice with Micro Sol and Micro Set. They doe take a while to float off of the backing.

I'm really impressed about how well the fuselage stripe wraps around and matches up on top and bottom.

Still have a few more decals and some fiddly bits left.
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 03:47 PM UTC
Mark,

Go for that Aurora F4B-4!!

I had it, the K&B re-release, years ago and started it, even started putting styrene in the cockpit. Then I had to move cross-country and I don't know where it ended up.

AVENGE ME (it??)!!

I look forward to your model!
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 03:33 PM UTC
Oh noes. I thought I was ready to start decaling the beastie, A close look at the instruction sheet Shows that the rudder should be painted Blue, not yellow..

I guess that I'll have to clip the rigging, re drill the holes, mask, paint, re run the rigging, fill the holes and touch up the paint.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 06:02 PM UTC
Ohoh, these two wingy thingies might be contagious. I was at a local thrift shop and this jumped right off the shelf into my hands.
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Posted: Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 05:14 PM UTC
Well, it is a "Yellow Peril", just wait til I clear coat it.

Hey it was my FIRST rigged biplane and like the first biplane since like 1972. I wasn't ready for turnbuckles.
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Posted: Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 07:12 AM UTC
Oh, MY HEAVENS, where's my welder's goggles when I need them?

Cheers,
--Jan
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 09:11 PM UTC
what- no turnbuckles?

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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 04:01 PM UTC
Wow, it has been a while. I got the lines touched-up with some silver, cleaned up the thru holes and touched them up. Finally I got the top wing painted yellow. Now on to a clear coat and decals, then the fiddly bits...


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Posted: Sunday, July 21, 2019 - 03:01 PM UTC
The rigging is done! The tail feathers were the easiest of all.


Now to fill the holes,touch up the yellow paint and get some silver color on the lines.
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Posted: Saturday, July 20, 2019 - 04:22 AM UTC
Thanks Jan. I volunteered for this fun. I've always been afraid of doing rigging, decided that I'd use the excuse of the Learning to Fly campaign to actually do one. Actually there are moments of true Zen while pulling the threads. But it my be a while before I do another string bag.

I gave up on the decals for my Airfix Havoc. 40 years old, yellowed and cracked. I tried making new decals, even after I put the fixer on the ink ran when I put them in the water. Finally broke down; raided the decal stash, scrounged around on Ebay and resorted to painting on the rudder stripes. Good luck with the Vampire.
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Posted: Saturday, July 20, 2019 - 02:52 AM UTC
Mark,

Looks like your having about as much fun with those rigging lines as I've had with "oh so thin and delicate" Vampire decals. Just to give an example, if the decals didn't break while submerged in water they'd curl up onto themselves and meld into a blob. Sometimes the simplest additions to an otherwise simple kit can become a monster. Good luck on taming that beast.

Cheers,
--Jan
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Posted: Friday, July 19, 2019 - 04:51 PM UTC
Well, it's been a while. And if you consider 2 steps back and 1 step forward, then I've made progress. I got the port side done for the last update and then I started on the starboard side. I wasn't paying full attention and one of the clips fell off, allowing the line to go slack as the CA cured. Another anchor point broke free and when I glued it back it too was slack. Not a problem I thought, I'll just use a little bit of heat to make the line shrink till it looks taut. Major Fail. Got too much heat and all 6 lines melted away. Well that solves a bit of a problem. Now I just had to reach between the wings and drill out some holes. Had to use some dental picks to actually open up the blind holes in the top wing. With a bit more line and and quite a bit of luck, I managed to get all of the lines in place and reasonably taut:

Now on to the empennage!
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2019 - 07:27 AM UTC
Of course I see this after I'm nearly 1/2 done. I had looked at someone else's version, but passed on building all of the tiny tie downs because I was afraid I couldn't make them small enough. Maybe next time.
Like I said so far the hardest part was getting the cabine struts in place. One of them is a replacement from Contrail, another one ended up slightly above its intended location. Keeping the anchored threads in place has been a bit of fun. Several have pulled out, they're a lot harder to replace with the top wing installed.
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2019 - 04:05 AM UTC
Rigging is actually quite easy when you use the right methods. As with all things, practise is your friend.
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2019 - 03:27 AM UTC
Mark,

That's quite an adventure that you undertook with this build. And I thought I had issues with the Airfix Vampire T-11 that I built for the same campaign? The rigging looks quite good but I wonder if the men in the white coats and padded truck are waiting around the corner?

Good luck and cheers,
--Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 - 06:52 PM UTC
Well, the top wing is on. So far getting the wing lined up and glued into place has been the most difficult part of the build.

I think that each part was glued on at least 3 times and I had to replace one of the struts with a section of airfoil strut that was long enough to reach.
I managed to follow part of my plan on the rigging. I was able to snag the ends of the threads I glued in at the front struts the pulled through the holes OK, I was able to use a flashlight and tweezers into the fuselage and pull the lines out. I wasn't able to get them as tight as I wanted, but the whole process of feeding the line through the hole did produce an amazingly zen feeling as long as it fed in.
The 0.004" thread mostly worked well. Unfortunately several pieces broke free from their mounts on the top wing. I'm having to replace them one by one. The E-Z Line worked well and tightened up nicely. The 0.008" fishing line was stiff and hard to thread and it broke free when I tried to tighten it.

So I've got most of the lines on the Port wing placed when one of the lines failed. So I've got to replace it one everything else cures. I ran a silver paint marker over the lines to highlight them for the photo.
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 - 07:21 PM UTC
It's been a while, but I have made some progress. Got the fuselage built up and the seams addressed. Got some Chrome Yellow paint on it. Not the world's best finish, but it is YELLOW!.



But for the real point of this build, rigging!

I went back over the holes that I had previously drilled and opened them up. Then I tried to superglue EZ Line into one of the holes. It was too flexible for me and hard to get into the hole. Then I tried some 4lb test fishing line (0.008in), it was easier to get into the holes. But it was very stiff, and relatively large, you might even pick it out in the photo. I finally tried some invisible thread, it's about 0.004in. It was small enough to fit easily into the hole. I was still having trouble grabbing the end of the thread, half the time I couldn't see it. I ended up using a black Sharpie, or a Testor's paint pen to highlight the ends of the thread. You can see the paint along the front edge of the wings, I hope to cover most of it up with silver paint after I get everything glued in place.
I used a clamping set of tweezers to hold the thread while pushing it into the hole, it worked better than straight tweezers or just using my fingers. I tried both dipping the thread into a puddle of superglue then pushing it into the hole and applying a drop of superglue to the hole and then pressing the end of the thread into the glue. Both methods worked reasonably well. On most of the lines, I used a toothpick to drip some kicker onto the sg. most notably along the leading edge of the wing, where most of the threads are standing upright.

Next up, trying to get the top wing in place.
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2019 - 04:31 PM UTC
Thanks Jessie, I tried half of your suggestion. I scribed down on the seam, wiped a bit of Tamiya Extra Thin over the joint let it set a bit then squeezed the halves together until a little melted plastic oozed up and clamped it closed overnight.

Looks good enough under a new coat of primer.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 - 12:06 PM UTC

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Well, this isn't fun. I've filled this seam twice, I can't feel it with my finger, but the primer shows it everytime.

Anyone got any good hints?



Using a scriber, dig it out a bit, stretch some sprue and glue it in using some 'hot' liquid glue. Goop on some sprue dissolved in liquid glue and wait for it to harden. Afterwards, sand to shape.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 04, 2019 - 04:55 PM UTC
Well, this isn't fun. I've filled this seam twice, I can't feel it with my finger, but the primer shows it everytime.

Anyone got any good hints?