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Bronco Panzer III A Built
johhar
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Posted: Sunday, August 28, 2016 - 06:09 PM UTC
No offense at all. I figured the two kits were the same ballpark in terms of subject. The Stug kits will be a much better apples-to-apples comparison.
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Posted: Sunday, August 28, 2016 - 04:58 PM UTC

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Thanks Adam for your good review as always, I'am going to hold up on buying this kit. Bronco has come a long way with their kits. This seems to be a step back for bronco, very interesting, Thanks



Except it's not really a step back at all. The parts for the kit look completely fine in both moulding and casting area from every picture I've seen of the kits contents.



Agree- My BRONCO Pz.III Ausf.A's parts look beautifully cast, with no "soft" details or edges. If anything, the moldings are as "crisp" as ever...

BTW Jonathan, comparing a DRAGON Pz.III Ausf.F to BRONCO's Pz.III Ausf.A is, to use a really tired old phrase, "like comparing apples to oranges". Please don't take offense with that last remark, as I don't mean to "put you down" in any way...

Between the two designs, the Ausf.A & Ausf.F had different Upper & Lower Hulls, completely different Suspension designs; the Ausf.F uses SIX Road Wheels per side, as opposed to the Ausf.A's FIVE larger and different Road wheels per side. The Sprockets & Rear Idlers were of different designs, altogether. The Ausf.A also features a different Commander's Cupola, different Front & Rear End details, plus a bunch of other details. If I'm not mistaken, as I'm certainly no "Panzer-expert", I THINK the Engines were different, as well as the Engine Access Doors on the Engine Deck. I'm not familiar with the ACTUAL internal differences between the Ausf.A and the Ausf.F, so I can't make any comparisons in that particular department.

Maybe some of the "Panzer Gurus" can shed some light, or correct ME as well...
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2016 - 01:55 AM UTC

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I watched the video and also the "after battle report". While the parts look nice and all (and I'm not someone to complain about over engineering) Adam's bottom line is very accurate: the Bronco kit looks like a toy, while DML's looks like a scale model.



Dragon hasn't ever done the Ausf A Pz III



I think Adam was comparing another Pz III just to illustrate the difference in detail in general. The Bronco did seem a bit softer in detail to me, and not at all as nice as some of their older kits, of which I have a few. Maybe they switched plastic due to supply issues and have a situation like Miniart (or was it Master Box?) where the new plastic was an inferior quality.
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 10:56 PM UTC

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I watched the video and also the "after battle report". While the parts look nice and all (and I'm not someone to complain about over engineering) Adam's bottom line is very accurate: the Bronco kit looks like a toy, while DML's looks like a scale model.



Dragon hasn't ever done the Ausf A Pz III
johhar
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 10:53 PM UTC
I've built both DML (kit 6632 Pz III F) and Bronco's Pz III A and I think the toy vs. model statement vastly overstates the difference(s). What surprised me was how close the two kits seemed in level of detail, and perhaps even engineering.
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 09:41 PM UTC
I watched the video and also the "after battle report". While the parts look nice and all (and I'm not someone to complain about over engineering) Adam's bottom line is very accurate: the Bronco kit looks like a toy, while DML's looks like a scale model.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 05:08 AM UTC

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could the PE have been made softer by heating with a candle so it wouldn't break.



Yes. The process is called "annealing". Check my post relating to this review in the FIRST "Comments" thread that responded to Adam's review...

Also check my last post in WIERDY's "DRAGON StuG.III Ausf.E In Detail" thread:

Check it out- Some good news over on the DRAGON USA site:

DR-6851 StuG.III Ausf.C/D

Looks like it's going to be another "winner". A short description of the new kit is provided, along with a single CAD-type illustration. There is a short history, and a short list of some of the new kit's features. No mention of Tracks. It's worth a look...
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 04:57 AM UTC
could the PE have been made softer by heating with a candle so it wouldn't break.
johhar
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 03:10 AM UTC
Perfect...not by a long shot. But it was the right level of challenge for me and will be for some and not for others. I also recommend finding all reviews, build logs, etc, before starting.
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 02:44 AM UTC
The link is fixed.
ULIX-VM
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 02:19 AM UTC
this bronco german tank is perfect.
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 02:04 AM UTC

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Thanks Adam for your good review as always, I'am going to hold up on buying this kit. Bronco has come a long way with their kits. This seems to be a step back for bronco, very interesting, Thanks



Except it's not really a step back at all. The parts for the kit look completely fine in both moulding and casting area from every picture I've seen of the kits contents.
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 01:13 AM UTC
Is it just me but the link goes to your Rye Field Gruppe Fehrmann Tiger review Adam?
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2016 - 01:13 AM UTC
I'm not sure this is "a step back from Bronco" so much as the fruit of MiniArt tree. The rear deck on the MA Pz. IIIs was bad enough that Tiger Models put out a resin fix (I suggested to Joe doing one for the A, but he showed no interest). This kit is essentially the same deck, so there is the same "lip" between the rear deck and the turret ring deck piece.
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Posted: Thursday, August 25, 2016 - 08:33 PM UTC
Thanks Adam for your good review as always, I'am going to hold up on buying this kit. Bronco has come a long way with their kits. This seems to be a step back for bronco, very interesting, Thanks
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Posted: Thursday, August 25, 2016 - 06:43 PM UTC
Adam Mann reviews and builds the Bronco Panzer III Ausf. A in 1/35th scale.

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