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M9 dozer blade
GreyHunter
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 04:35 AM UTC
I picked up the Academy kit of the M9 dozer blade today (only 1.80 euro)
Now I want to know where this was used.
I also need information on how to connect it to the M60, electric and hydrolic.
2-2dragoon
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 07:44 AM UTC
If you like I can send you some pictures, but to cut to the chase, it was connected to hydraulics under the fender, with the hydraulic pump on the left rear back fender. The line ran under the left fender to the hydraulic cylinders for the blade. It was controlled by levers in the driver's compartment. Little of these connections are visible.

It was used anywhere the M-60 was used, literally. The blade tank was indigenous to all armored battalions and armored cave squadrons, with one assigned to each company hq section. The Isrealis use them extensively.

As I said, I have some good pictures and references if you want them. I just build an M-728 and made at least one error in the installation and detailing, but have another and the Verlinden on the way, so I should be able to correct those...

GreyHunter
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 07:34 PM UTC
Lance,

I'd like to see the information and ecpecially the hydraulic pump because I think that's missing in the kit.
What kit of the M728 are you building? Is this any good? I'm looking for a M728 and M578 kit also.
I just love these engineering vehicles.
matt
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 02:39 AM UTC
I was goint to scratchbuild a M728 But I hear (AFV Club??) is coming out with one?
The photos would be a great help.

Matt
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 05:15 AM UTC

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I picked up the Academy kit of the M9 dozer blade today (only 1.80 euro)
Now I want to know where this was used.
I also need information on how to connect it to the M60, electric and hydrolic.

Being in the last battalion in the USAREUR to use the M60 series tank (M60A3TTS), the "blade tank" was issued 1 per company (4 per battalion). The tank was the company XO's ride and the bumper number was A-65, B-65, C-65 or D-65. As far as opetational use, it wasn't. It never worked since the hydralics ran alongside the roadwheel arms and they always got busted up. The blade was left locked in the up position, and if it did happen to fall down, there were two cables that hooked to the end connectors or the track. The tank backed up and it lifted the blade up. The driver then locked it in again and hoped it did not drop again.

About the only things it was good for was extra armor on the front of the tank, although being a blade tank makes it a priority target for enemy tanks. The other benefit it had was it off set the gun recoil and the tank did not rock back as badly as tanks without a blade. Those of you who have fired service sabot or wiffle ball sabot will attest to the kick that those 105mm rounds had.
puyallup7400
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 06:57 AM UTC
Academy is doing a M728 kit. Have see it listed once and a while at different online hobby stores, didn't think it's available yet.

A.E.F. has a turret, boom and blade kit KA-105 - M-728 Turret Conversion $42.00.

Verlinden had a M578 kit years ago. It's OOP and I've sent them at shows for @$75.

HTH

Dave
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 06:24 PM UTC
Rob, do you have any photos of the blade installed, esspecially the hydraulic pump on the rear fender?
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 07:16 PM UTC
Not one I've taken personally, but I'm sure I have one in one of my M60 books. I do still have my ancient M60 TM.
ARENGCA
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Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:17 PM UTC

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About the only things it was good for was extra armor on the front of the tank, although being a blade tank makes it a priority target for enemy tanks. The other benefit it had was it off set the gun recoil and the tank did not rock back as badly as tanks without a blade. Those of you who have fired service sabot or wiffle ball sabot will attest to the kick that those 105mm rounds had.



First, our blades never worked either. They were usually issued two to a company, if I remember. The hydraulics were always messed up one way or another. They were good for breaking torsion bars on the first two stations when moving cross-country, and you could get stuck crossing a stream or draw more easily (by digging the blade into the far bank). The other problem was that, even if it worked, no one knew how to use it. There was no school training for it, and the TMs were not useful.

From experience as a Combat Engineer (and a great deal of civilian experience with dozers) I now know that building a decent fighting position is a good deal harder than it looks, and requires quite a bit of practice. I saw a blade tank being used once, and it was all they could do to create a bit of berm in front of the tank. They wound up with the tank sitting nose down into a shallow hole, with the rear end higher than the front. The engine deck made a beautiful target, and I'll bet we would have gotten great laser returns off of it. At that point in the excavation, the blade hydraulics expired, leaving a puddle of oil and the blade sitting on the ground. The demonstration was not very impressive, and most of us decided to leave the digging to the engineers.

As far as the kick from the gun...I loved the feel of the concussion on my face when I yelled, "FIRE"! Keeping things clean, we can say I found it very exciting. Way too much fun to allow a 23-year old LT to have that kind of power! I always loved gunnery and shooting: hated waiting for some fool shavetail to get either the march moving (to start), or unlost (after the second turn). I learned to sleep and still hear my own call-sign, because of this. Still can do that, though.