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ZVEZDA Russian tank
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:10 AM UTC
Im thinking about using a Russian tank for another Winter War dio. It will also introduce the Suomi SMG and the "kasapanos", scratchbuilt tank killing charge.
I found a couple of cheap Zvezda tanks, a T-60 and a T-34/76.

Any experience on these two, quality and so? Other brands?
Recommendations? I know Paulo made a Tamiya one.(Good work, Paulo!)

Thanks,
Toni
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:19 AM UTC
The Zvezda T-60 has widely been considered one of the worst model kits ever created. STAY FAR AWAY! If you want a good T-60, I would suggest going with the RPM offering.

The Zvezda T-34 on the other hand is probably the most accurate T-34 kit on the market. It goes together well and is worth the money.
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:48 AM UTC
I will echo Adam's sentiments on the Zvezda T-60. I got one at an IPMS show raffle, the kit is terrible. On the plus side, in my kit I got a Soviet Guard's uniform badge in the kit, sandwiched between the hull and a piece of stiffening styrofoam like a Cracker Jack prize.

The RPM kit comes with a superb photo etch fret that includes PE fenders. I was really impressed with the kit.
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 02:06 AM UTC

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...one of the worst model kits ever created...


Well, good for me to ask first so its not necessary to create any more mayhem and anguish in this cruel world!
If I ever need a nuked T-60, Ill go for that then!

I still have some research to do to be historically accurate, but the idea is set...

Thanks for comments!

Toni
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 04:31 AM UTC
Just learned that Russia used mainly T-26 and BT-7 tanks in winter war.

Experiences? The T-26 Twin Turret looks so funny it would be a pleasure to build.
(I have this problem with my attitude; the tanks I want to build are the ones I consider ridiculous-looking. And theyre still so cute..)

Toni
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 12:37 PM UTC
Tanks.. cute? OK...

Have you ever seen the movie Winter War? It is one of the best war movies I have ever seen. Highly detailed, great battle scenes, etc. It is also a Finish movie. I highly recommend it.
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 02:27 PM UTC
Yeah, I saw the Winter War, and Im glad its also known outside of Finland!
Works well what comes to the equipment and so. I just felt it lacked something in the emotional level. The 1952 version of Unknown Soldier works better in that sense.

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Tanks.. cute?


Well, its somehow amusing, thinking about these guys in their little tin cans. When the design of a vehicle is clumsy and ugly enough there is certain beauty in it. A big big metal can with small guns pointing out...And Im not talking about modern big bad mother***ers here, they really rule! Im certainly not a tanker, I served in artillery, and before I was only interested in aircraft. Im not trying to insult any tank lovers by calling them cute(tanks, not tank lovers!) I was only trained to blow these things away!
And my first armor being a Schwimmwagen...what can I say? Not really the most masculine choice!


Toni
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 03:17 PM UTC
Experiences on the Zvezda T-26 model?
I know some resin sets are available also...

Thanks, Toni
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:20 PM UTC
Toni,

Don't hesitate to get the Zvezda T-26. It is probably the best T-26 on the market and it builds up into a nice kit. There are pictures of the one I built at http://www.track-link.net/gallery/1302. If you don't have a TL username and password, let me know and I can post the pictures here for you to look at. The only change that I would suggest that you DEFINATELY make to the kit is the tracks. They are terrible and should be replaced. I personally used Friulmodel tracks, but there are Modelkasten tracks and if you can't afford the more expensive Modelkasten and Friulmodel tracks, there is a set of plastic non-workable link-to-link tracks made by RPM (although it could be Mirage or Maquette, I can't remember exactly) that I have heard are good.
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:40 PM UTC
Oh great! Thanks for the info!
And here we go, a couple of teasers for "Light my Fire":


A close-up featuring Suomi SMG gun and the "Kasapanos":


Cheers, Toni
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:48 PM UTC
Toni,

That looks like a great idea. You better post some pictures once it's done. Another great tank that you might look into that was used by Finnish forces is the T-28. ICM makes a wonderful T-28 that builds into a great model. They also include Finnish markings if I'm not mistaken. I have some great pictures of T-28s and BT-7s (and maybe a T-26) in use with Finnish forces. Let me know if you are interested and I will scan some for you.
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:57 PM UTC
Thanks, Id love to have some reference pics! If you have time to scan those just throw me an email!
I will go for the russian T-26 with this one, though. Ka-BOOOOM!
:-)

Toni
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:13 PM UTC
Toni,

O.k. I'll get you some pics this weekend.
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:17 PM UTC

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If you don't have a TL username and password, let me know and I can post the pictures here for you to look at.



Wanna see wanna see!!!

Toni
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:48 PM UTC
Tomi,

O.k. I just sent them to [email protected] so they can be posted. As soon as everything is done, I will link to them in a post here as well.