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m1garand
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 01:23 PM UTC
My stepson is wanting to build a model with me. He is 12 and it will be his first model. Since I do armor, he HAS to do armor. Was wondering if anybody had any suggestions on a good kit for him.
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TheGame
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 01:30 PM UTC
I'm currently working on a Tamiya T35/76. It's a pretty easy kit.
That would be my choice, or maybe the Tamiya Panther Ausf A.
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 05:30 PM UTC
Tamiya Type166 Schwimmwagen. The fittings are great and its not too tricky to build. Especially if you are going to build it together

Its my first "armor" kit (does Scwimmie qualify as armor? )and Im having a lot of fun with it!

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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 07:41 PM UTC
BC--whatever you do, do not let him start with the Sheridan by Jaguar. He will never return to the craft again.
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 09:00 PM UTC
A good easy kit is the Tamiya M41 Walker Bulldog. It is readily available, "looks" like an Army tank (got the mandatory white star on the side), not a lot of small parts to attach, and importantly, in its current iteration, has motorization gearbox included for the kid that will want to play with the tank after it is done. It's still one of my favorite older Tamiya kits.
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 09:05 PM UTC

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A good easy kit is the Tamiya M41 Walker Bulldog. It is readily available, "looks" like an Army tank (got the mandatory white star on the side), not a lot of small parts to attach, and importantly, in its current iteration, has motorization gearbox included for the kid that will want to play with the tank after it is done. It's still one of my favorite older Tamiya kits.

That's good to know! I think I'll try working on that after my Star Destroyer. I didn't think that most of the suspension parts would be molded to the bottom of the hull, but I'm glad they are!

YodaMan
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 09:19 PM UTC
I concur with Sabot. It has been a while, but I built it too. My recollection is that it was a fairly simple build, without too many complications. And it rolls and goes "vroommm...BANG" when it is done, without too much danger to the model. It is molded in about the right color if I remember, and looks pretty good without a lot of painting.

I am going through the 'first models' thing with my boys right now. They have done the Gundams, and the Snap-Tites, and now we are moving on to the first glue model. the hardest thing for me is to let them make their own mistakes. It is so tempting to jump in and do it for them, knowing that it will turn out better (sometimes much better) if I do it. So far I have done pretty well. I want them to feel the pride of having done it themselves (even if it only took 2 days!), and be able to show it off. I keep working on my own version of something similar, and grab those "teachable moments" when they ask a question or actually stop to watch how I do something. I have a great deal of hope for my younger son, who holds still for nothing, but can sit and work on a model for up to 2 hours at a stretch. I think I've caught his interest....
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 09:58 PM UTC
It will be a good starter tank for you Yoda. And for the super-detailer, there is the AFV Club M-41 tracks and running gear. I do have a set, but have not opened up the package yet. I was waiting to obtain the Tank Workshop mantlet and at least an aluminum barrel before I started the project. I do have the Eduard PE for it though.

Another good thing about light US armor is that you can slap the Japanese flag markings on it and use it for a Godzilla diorama. The M41 Walker Bulldog is yet another tank that fought with great distinction againt the giant monster in a vain attempt to defend Tokyo.
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 09:58 PM UTC

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A good easy kit is the Tamiya M41 Walker Bulldog. It is readily available, "looks" like an Army tank (got the mandatory white star on the side), not a lot of small parts to attach, and importantly, in its current iteration, has motorization gearbox included for the kid that will want to play with the tank after it is done. It's still one of my favorite older Tamiya kits.




...Ditto! Inexpensive too.

Tread.
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 11:21 PM UTC

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It will be a good starter tank for you Yoda. And for the super-detailer, there is the AFV Club M-41 tracks and running gear. I do have a set, but have not opened up the package yet. I was waiting to obtain the Tank Workshop mantlet and at least an aluminum barrel before I started the project. I do have the Eduard PE for it though.

Another good thing about light US armor is that you can slap the Japanese flag markings on it and use it for a Godzilla diorama. The M41 Walker Bulldog is yet another tank that fought with great distinction againt the giant monster in a vain attempt to defend Tokyo.


Rob--is the PE for M-41 worth the money? Where do you think you'll get the gun tube?
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 11:38 PM UTC
I agree with everyone that the M41 is a great first kit. If your son likes German armor, I would suggest the Tamiya Panzer II F/G as it is inexpensive and a simple build. If your son likes other (i.e. Japanese, Russian, Italian, etc.) the Tamiya M13/40 kit is a breeze as well.

And for 210Cav:

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is the PE for M-41 worth the money?



Yes, the Eduard pe is worth the money. I used the old set that they replaced with set #35428 just recently and it was worth the money. This new set looks to be worlds better though so it should definately be worth the money.
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:31 AM UTC
Adam--if you get a second, fill me on the material in the newest PE set.
thanks
DJ
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:33 AM UTC

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Rob--is the PE for M-41 worth the money? Where do you think you'll get the gun tube?

As Adam points out, there are two Eduard PE sets. I have the newer one. It is nice and I highly recommend using it as many of the kit parts are molded very heavy handedly or molded in place. I do not have the older set to compare the new set with. As far as the aluminum barrel goes, that may have to be the Barrel Depot one, as I have yet to see another (had the Barrel Depot one in my hand at the cash register when I put it back.)

Sorry for hi-jacking this thread.
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:38 AM UTC
DJ,

Check out http://eduard.rvsnet.cz/ . Use the advanced search (at the bottom of the page) and type in the item number 35428. You can then click on the item and see photos of the frets and look at the instructions and see everything the pe set has to offer. It looks very nice. So nice in fact that I am considering doing another M-41 with this set.

HTH
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:44 AM UTC
If you want to see what the old M-41 pe set added to the kit look at http://www.track-link.net/gallery/1300 to see the M-41 I did a while ago with it. Keep in mind that I was just starting with modeling and that it was one of the first pe sets that I had used so be kind. This old set had some nice parts to detail the .50 cal.
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:57 AM UTC
Hmmm. I think I'll have to get that set. (I 'have' to get it? Uh, oh. I think I'm getting the superdetailing syndrome! :-) ) Where can I get the barrel from? Considering I don't have a 'Barrel Depot' here in town, just a Home Depot. hee hee....

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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 01:01 AM UTC
You can get Barrel Depot barrels at http://www.bentbutnotbroken.com/Barrels.htm.
210cav
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 01:02 AM UTC
Adam, many thanks. I now have an excuse to build the M-41.
DJ
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 01:10 AM UTC
So was your M41 done "out of the box" then Gunnie? I know you added the canvas mantlet cover, and straps here and there, but wondered about other things like the toolbox, headlight guards, fender edges, etc.

I'm a bit wary of PE, the only time I've tried it was on a 1:72 Phantom - very simple set, but it was incredibly britte and hard to work with, even getting it off the sprue was tough.

-Paul
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 03:15 AM UTC
Thanks for all of the input. I'll be picking up a Walker Bulldog for him soon.
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 03:33 AM UTC
Careful, the new motorized reissue one will go for $30ish, the older reissue will be about $10-15.
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 03:47 AM UTC

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Careful, the new motorized reissue one will go for $30ish, the older reissue will be about $10-15.



Thanks Rob, I'll remember that.
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 06:36 AM UTC
BC--to compound the madness. I paid, for example, $12 for M-41. Price tag is still on the box. If I get the PE it runs $19. The gun barrel will probably be another $10. Ouch! The price of perfection. You gotta' love the hobby to do this to your wife's hard earned pay.
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 06:42 AM UTC

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BC--to compound the madness. I paid, for example, $12 for M-41. Price tag is still on the box. If I get the PE it runs $19. The gun barrel will probably be another $10. Ouch! The price of perfection. You gotta' love the hobby to do this to your wife's hard earned pay.
DJ



LOL.......
Very true. I'll only be spending 10 bucks or so at Squadron. He'll have to get some experience before we start doing any detailing.
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2002 - 06:44 AM UTC

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BC--to compound the madness. I paid, for example, $12 for M-41. Price tag is still on the box. If I get the PE it runs $19. The gun barrel will probably be another $10. Ouch! The price of perfection. You gotta' love the hobby to do this to your wife's hard earned pay.
DJ

+ $17 for the AFV Club Wheels & Suspension. Unfortunately, the set does not include tracks