120mm beehive? The M551 carried a 152mm beehive round that was used with great devastation in Vietnam.

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120mm beehive? The M551 carried a 152mm beehive round that was used with great devastation in Vietnam.

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Wow.. are there models of this beast available ??? Any other tanks got equipped with this huge cannon ?

120mm beehive? The M551 carried a 152mm beehive round that was used with great devastation in Vietnam. My platoon sergeant and one of my ROTC instructors, both of whom served in CAV units in Vietnam told some amazing stories about want the 6" shotgun did to VC/NVA attacks. The beehive round and the 90mm cannister from the M48 also great for clearing brush and camo off bunkers.

210CAV - when were at the NTC? I was there from JUL 84 thru JAN 87. I started as S-3, NTC Support Battalion and ended as GLO at George AFB.

Ranger74

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120mm beehive? The M551 carried a 152mm beehive round that was used with great devastation in Vietnam. My platoon sergeant and one of my ROTC instructors, both of whom served in CAV units in Vietnam told some amazing stories about want the 6" shotgun did to VC/NVA attacks. The beehive round and the 90mm cannister from the M48 also great for clearing brush and camo off bunkers.

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152mm beehive is good, like a sawed off shotgun, but imagine the muzzle velocity of the 120mm beehive...that round would be on top of someone in a heartbeat.

Ahh.. coming back to the Leopard 2 vs Abrams comparison..

found a interesting link :-)

http://www.forecast1.com/press/press1.htm

You need to keep in mind that Germany is a lot smaller than the US and its army is mainly a defense force. For that the Leopard 2 is an excellent machine and a good example of superior german engineering...

152mm beehive is good, like a sawed off shotgun, but imagine the muzzle velocity of the 120mm beehive...that round would be on top of someone in a heartbeat.

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You need to keep in mind that Germany is a lot smaller than the US and its army is mainly a defense force. For that the Leopard 2 is an excellent machine and a good example of superior german engineering...

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Didn't stop them 60+ years ago did it? At least the M1A1 is combat tested and survived direct hits from enemy tanks. Only M1A1 tank kills came from other M1A1s or US aircraft.

hmm.. whats your point Jim ? Does being able to produce ten times as many make em better ? Or do you imply it takes so many more M1's to keep up with the Leo2 ??

You need to keep in mind that Germany is a lot smaller than the US and its army is mainly a defense force. For that the Leopard 2 is an excellent machine and a good example of superior german engineering... (omg.. don't rost me for saying this )

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Ahh.. coming back to the Leopard 2 vs Abrams comparison..

found a interesting link :-)

http://www.forecast1.com/press/press1.htm

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Yeah....but how many can they produce a year??

It is somewhat comforting to know that the more things change, the more they stay the same too.

Interesting discussion. I still have no idea what a beehive does. I assume it's some kind of cluster weapon?

Jim

Interesting discussion. I still have no idea what a beehive does. I assume it's some kind of cluster weapon?

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You need to keep in mind that Germany is a lot smaller than the US and its army is mainly a defense force. For that the Leopard 2 is an excellent machine and a good example of superior german engineering...

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Didn't stop them 60+ years ago did it? At least the M1A1 is combat tested and survived direct hits from enemy tanks. Only M1A1 tank kills came from other M1A1s or US aircraft.

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pretty weird remark! What does the Leo2 have to do with what happened 60 years ago ? Did you forget that Germany is a ally ????

ARENGCA
Sir--before you go down another TT VIII A//B may I highly recommend that you alter your fire commands. I believe, it goes like: "Gunner, Beehive 200 meters, troops in the open, on my command..." It's been a while since I negotiated the course and somethings in FM 17-1 might have changed, but "troops in the weeds" is probably not the correct command. Nice Hollywood touch, I admit.
DJ

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Didn't stop them 60+ years ago did it? At least the M1A1 is combat tested and survived direct hits from enemy tanks. Only M1A1 tank kills came from other M1A1s or US aircraft.

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pretty weird remark! What does the Leo2 have to do with what happened 60 years ago ? Did you forget that Germany is a ally ????

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ARENGCA
Sir--before you go down another TT VIII A//B may I highly recommend that you alter your fire commands. I believe, it goes like: "Gunner, Beehive 200 meters, troops in the open, on my command..." It's been a while since I negotiated the course and somethings in FM 17-1 might have changed, but "troops in the weeds" is probably not the correct command. Nice Hollywood touch, I admit.
DJ

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You are correct, however I have talked to quite a few crews who have supplied actual combat quotes that are similar to my (admittedly silly) fire command. An actual fire command, quoted to me be the TC, when his tank unexpectedly encountered a German tank: "SHIT....SHOT....SHOOT!!!" Funny now, not too funny then!

Another quote, this time by the gunner of the US part of the first tank-on-tank (PT-76, I believe) engagement in Vietnam: "Ahhhhh!...tank, tank, tank.....FIRE!!" They won. Improper fire command, no doubt, but effective nonetheless!