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Help with attaching cable on Submarine
gbkirsch
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Posted: Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 10:06 AM UTC
I'm fairly new to ship building and have a question regarding the rigging/degaussing cables on the Revell 1/72 U Boat. Recently I used fishing line for another sub but I had to tie them to attach and then glued them to stay in place. Can someone here share with me a technique to properly attach rigging or cable on WW2 and modern warships? ALso what is the best line to use?

Thank you and please excuse my ingnorance on the subject...

Gary
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Posted: Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 04:29 PM UTC
Ahoy, Gary!
First off, mate, lets clarify a little somethin' somethin'. . .please don'tever be afraid to ask a question here, bro. . . there isn't one of us here that knows everything,and we all learn something (sometimes daily! ) that we don't know!

And a good question it is! I'm sure you're also going to get various responses to this question, and the best thing to do is to digest them all, then try a couple methods to see which one works best for you,and stick with it. . .I personally have tried lots of ways to rig both ships and subs, and have fallen upon the use of Lycra Thread, which is what the wingnuts use to rig their aeroplanes.
I use good old superglue (with an accelerator) to attach thread to mast, and thread to thread. . .

Fishing line works good too, because it is stiff and easy to glue, and accepts paint well, but I like the looks of the lycra thread in close-up pictures, and it has a bit of elastcity in it, so sagging is non-existent.

Lycra is available at most LHS and online hobby shops as well. . .
Keep Modeling,
~Gunny
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Posted: Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 10:24 PM UTC

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Lycra is available at most LHS and online hobby shops as well. . .


Gunny, please share your suppliers for Lycra thread. Every store I've been to, from craft store to sewing store, no one knows what I'm talking about.

One very confused gator.
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Posted: Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 10:26 PM UTC

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I use good old superglue (with an accelerator) to attach thread to mast, and thread to thread. . .

Fishing line works good too, because it is stiff and easy to glue, and accepts paint well, but I like the looks of the lycra thread in close-up pictures, and it has a bit of elastcity in it, so sagging is non-existent.

Lycra is available at most LHS and online hobby shops as well. . .
Keep Modeling,
~Gunny



Ahoy Gunny,
Can't thank you enough. Great idea and I just purchased some CA (I think it's also called) Superglue so now off to find Lycra.

Thank you very much for your encouragement as well!!!

Gary
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 12:46 AM UTC
Hi Gary

You can also use this instead of the Lycra-thread (btw, can be found at www.whiteensignmodels.com), and Stretched-Sprue:



The good thing is that you have lots of raw material to test and practice, until you reach a good level of stretching
Hope this helps
Skipper
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 02:08 AM UTC

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You can also use this instead of the Lycra-thread (btw, can be found at www.whiteensignmodels.com)



Thanks Skip!
Gator, do you guys have "Michaels" stores down there in da swamps?. . .that's the cheapest place I've found it here in my area. The same stuff in the LHS is two to three times more $ . . .
Go get some Gator!
~Gunny
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 03:28 AM UTC
Yes we have a Michael's. The one place I didn't look. What part of the store?
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 04:12 AM UTC

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Hi Gary

You can also use this instead of the Lycra-thread (btw, can be found at www.whiteensignmodels.com), and Stretched-Sprue:
The good thing is that you have lots of raw material to test and practice, until you reach a good level of stretching
Hope this helps
Skipper



I really appreciate the advice Skipper. However, I was never very successful at the streching sprue thing. I used to do that for antennas for my armor but have found many more suitable replacements since. I do like your diagram as I think it's very discriptive and helpful for people who have never tried to do that.

Thank you kindly!!!

Gary
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 03:23 PM UTC

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Yes we have a Michael's. The one place I didn't look. What part of the store?



I've always found it while hanging out in the needlepoint and cross-stich areas!! . . .the things I go through to save a few dollars! :-)
I've only seen it in black and white (ideal for ship rigging!).
Happy hunting, Bro!
~Gunny
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 06:08 PM UTC
Cool. I'm going today.
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 06:26 PM UTC
One of the guys at our model club showed me a product he just recieved.
He intends to use it a ship rigging and at first glance, looks promising.
It's called "E Z Line" and is is produced and sold by a company called Berkshire Junction. Made of elastic polymer, it has a stretch of 700%. Comes in the colours, white, charcoal, green, rust and rope so you don't have to paint it and 2 sizes, 0.08mm & 0.15mm in 100 ft spools. I'm definately going to try it.

http://berkshirejunction.com/
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 10:08 PM UTC

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I've always found it while hanging out in the needlepoint and cross-stich areas!! . . .the things I go through to save a few dollars!
I've only seen it in black and white (ideal for ship rigging!).


I think you're making this stuff up. No go at our Michaels, but then again I don't know exactly what I'm looking for. Found a good substitute though, and cheap. $.94 for 90 feet. It's the brass wire out of a set of compact headphones. Super thin stuff. It should work great.
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 11:30 PM UTC

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I've always found it while hanging out in the needlepoint and cross-stich areas!! . . .the things I go through to save a few dollars!
I've only seen it in black and white (ideal for ship rigging!).


I think you're making this stuff up. No go at our Michaels, but then again I don't know exactly what I'm looking for. Found a good substitute though, and cheap. $.94 for 90 feet. It's the brass wire out of a set of compact headphones. Super thin stuff. It should work great.



Naw, my scaly cajun brother, t'aint makin' nuttin' up! If ye cain't find er in yer area, looky HERE mahn! Look in the "Wemzone" detailing and scratchbuilding section, first item. . .
~Gunny
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Posted: Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:27 AM UTC

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t'aint makin' nuttin' up! If ye cain't find er in yer area, looky HERE mahn! Look in the "Wemzone" detailing and scratchbuilding section, first item. . .
~Gunny



I'm going to stop by Michaels tomorrow and see if they carry this, otherwise I may order it online.

Thanks again for the info...

Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:10 AM UTC
Well, Michaels didn't have it so if I want Lycra, I'll order it online. From the looks on the faces of the ladies at Michaels I asked about it, you would think I had asked for an alien?! Then they asked what I needed it for and so to entertain my wife, I told them "to rig degaussing cables on my submarine". Man they really went slackjawed!!!

Anyway, I'm guessing the real material for these cables on a U Boat were steel cables, right?

Thanks,
Gary



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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:28 AM UTC

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Well, Michaels didn't have it so if I want Lycra, I'll order it online. From the looks on the faces of the ladies at Michaels I asked about it, you would think I had asked for an alien?! Then they asked what I needed it for and so to entertain my wife, I told them "to rig degaussing cables on my submarine". Man they really went slackjawed!!!

Anyway, I'm guessing the real material for these cables on a U Boat were steel cables, right?

Thanks,
Gary






:-) :-)

I know what you mean, mate!
Yes, Gary, steel cables. . .best if done up in black though. . .
~Gunny
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 01:37 AM UTC

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steel cables. . .best if done up in black though. . .
~Gunny



Thanks Gunny. Good tip! Now if I can only figure out the actual color for the insulators? In some poorly lit photo, they appeared brownish but it's difficult to see.

Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 10:13 AM UTC
Ahoy Gary,

These insulators were made of ceramic and although available in various
colors, the ones on the u-boat cables would be correctly represented in
a dark brown/black color. They were also seen in a deep bottlegreen color.

Cheers,
Joe
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 09:49 AM UTC

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These insulators were made of ceramic and although available in various
colors, the ones on the u-boat cables would be correctly represented in
a dark brown/black color. They were also seen in a deep bottlegreen color.



Ahoy Joe,

Thanks for the very useful info.

Cheers, Gary