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G-man69
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Posted: Friday, February 21, 2020 - 11:47 PM UTC
Hi all,

I have started to form the ground on the 'outside' of the wall (see images below). Once the white glue has set I'll cover it with a mix of plaster and sand.





I've also been trying to work on the wall colour (see image below) but, to be honest, I'm struggling, . Is anyone aware of any good 'wall' painting threads that I can tap in to?



Cheers, ,

G
Tank1812
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Posted: Friday, February 21, 2020 - 11:57 PM UTC
Looking good.

I have also liked this build.

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/19/t/133231.aspx?PageIndex=3&page=4
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 12:04 AM UTC
Hi Tim,

Thanks for the positive feedback, it's much appreciated.

As to B-word, don't get me started, , and don't mention Brexit, I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right...done in my best Basil Fawlty voice.

Maybe not buying something with Eurotool on it was a subconscious act...whenever I see the word 'Eurotool' I immediately get an image of Barnier and Juncker in my head...not a nice thing to have happen, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 12:13 AM UTC
Hi Ryan,

Yes, I struggled with painting the 'cobbles', it took me several attempts, and I'm still not really happy with my results. I'll be keen to see how you approach painting yours.

On the brightside, just be glad you haven't got the amount of tiles to paint that Tim has on his Operation Anthropoid project, . Though I would suggest you check out his latest posts, using pastels might work for painting your 'cobbles'.

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 12:18 AM UTC
Hi Ryan,

Thanks for the kind words, and the link, . I've just had a quick shufti and it looks like an excellent build.

Cheers, ,

G
Dioramartin
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 12:30 AM UTC
Holy masonry, with those latest photos that wall’s getting ever closer to being mistaken for the real thing – maybe a few subtle bits of moss or weeds and then why bother with the tank? - it’ll hide too much of the wall! Fantastic! (As for t’other thing I actually do have some shreds of skin in the game, I left Blighty in ’87 but have kept dual nationality….um mainly to move freely around Europe…er…oh sh..
Tank1812
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 12:41 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi Ryan,

Yes, I struggled with painting the 'cobbles', it took me several attempts, and I'm still not really happy with my results. I'll be keen to see how you approach painting yours.

On the brightside, just be glad you haven't got the amount of tiles to paint that Tim has on his Operation Anthropoid project, . Though I would suggest you check out his latest posts, using pastels might work for painting your 'cobbles'.

Cheers, ,

G



True but Tim is crazy. The chalk idea turned out well. Not sure I have that level of talent to pull off. My messes never look that good. We will see.

jrutman
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 03:27 AM UTC
Everything is coming along nicely I see. The wall came out great. As far as colors go ? Who can say ? I have struggled with the colors on Norman stonework for years now. I have found the issue comes down to specific localities because they all use stone quarries that have different colors,sometimes in the same wall !
The one I am working on now has a very pale limestone,but I have seen yellow as well and also more brown tones. It's up to you in the end as there is no "right color"
J
Golikell
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2020 - 08:19 AM UTC

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Hi Erwin,

Frustrating to hear about your wrong order, must be very annoying, . I look forward to you getting back on the ice asap, .

Cheers, ,

G



Yes it is... If you like to know what currently keeps me busy, take a look:
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235066588-large-scale-pony/
Golikell
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2020 - 08:24 AM UTC
Your walls are coming along nicely. No need to alter anything on the colours ihmo...
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 01:54 AM UTC
Hi Tim,

Thanks for the kind words on the look of the wall, though I will install the tank, and some figures at some point, otherwise I'll have to build another base, .

The best laid plans of mice and men regarding moving around Europe freely, .

Thanks again, and cheers, .

G
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 01:58 AM UTC
Hi Ryan,

For what it's worth your talents are serving you just fine at the moment looking at your 'cobbles', .

How goes the build, isn't tomorrow your deadline?

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 02:02 AM UTC
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for your positive feedback, and for the advice regarding wall colour(s). I've googled a few images, and yes, the colour variation does seem quite varied.

However, the one thing I have noticed is that the mortar is more pronounced than it appears on my attempt, so will have to do something about that.

Cheers again, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 02:08 AM UTC
Hi Erwin,

Not seen you around for a bit, so thank you for taking the time to leave some positive feedback, .

I've checked out your Britmodeller build and have to say I'm very impressed with the level of detail you've incorporated. Shame about the slight hiccup, hopefully your replacement parts will arrive soon.

But, until then, keep up the good work, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 02:20 AM UTC
Hi all,

A tad more progress on the base, the groundwork outside the wall has now been plastered and some debris has been added.

I have also 'rough' coloured both sides of the rest of the wall (see images below).













Cheers, ,

G
Golikell
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 02:24 AM UTC
Thanks... I was rather pished off when that happened, but managed to do some work anyway... I am currently nearly out of options before I NEED to add the damaged parts. According to Zoukei-Mura eta will be in 1 week, so I hope I can go further by then...

As for your walls, since walls made out of natural stone all differ in one kind or another, use photo's as inspiration rather than as a manual... If you think it looks ok, it is ok...
jrutman
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 02:38 AM UTC
Yes,I agree fully about the mortar thing. When viewed from over a certain distance most of the overall color you see is from the mortar. But even then,it depends on th age of the structure. A very old one,in disrepair,will have a lot,if not all,of the mortar worn away. This will look more like "dry stacked" walls. Your walls could fit in that category easily I think?
In the end,it all comes down to whatever makes you happy.
J
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 03:57 AM UTC
Hi Erwin,

I guess it'll become frustrating soon as you might end up with two stalled projects, a tank and a plane, ...maybe you have a floaty thing in your stash to tide you over, , then you'd have a full house, .

You're absolutely right about images as inspiration as opposed to trying to follow exactly, I'm fast coming around to that way of thinking, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 04:04 AM UTC
Hi Jerry,

Yes, I was very surprised when I started looking at images as to how much the mortar influenced the overall colour and general appearance, . For some reason, in my mind's eye, I imagined the space between masonry, be it stone or brick, to be much darker...a sort of shadow line...again I'm proven wrong, .

I had always intended that the wall would have that rundown sort of appearance...honest, ...so I will emphasise some of the mortar, but also leave some of it in need of a little TLC.

Thanks for your input, cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 04:18 AM UTC
Hi all,

I have started to block colour individual 'stones' to give some variation in appearance (see images below).









I appreciate that it looks a tad rough and garish, but hopefully when I start to weather and blend it'll end up looking more like the image below, .



Cheers, ,

G
jrutman
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 04:39 AM UTC
yeah,that last pic looks the biz.
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Golikell
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 06:43 AM UTC
Actually, I do have a ship in my stash. This one:

There is a replica of this ship located less than 50km's from here...

The last pic looks spot on!!!!
G-man69
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Posted: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - 02:39 AM UTC
Hi Jerry,

Thanks again for your continuing kind words and support, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - 02:42 AM UTC
Hi Erwin,

Thanks for the positive feedback, .

Hopefully you'll be able to finish your tank and aircraft build before you have to start the ship, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - 02:51 AM UTC
Hi all,

Today I have managed to dull down the somewhat garish colours of the the outside run of the damaged wall.

I have also added the first layer of grass, though I still have to paint the masonry debris (see images below).











Cheers, ,

G