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Sherman Flamethrower Turret help needed.
panamadan
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 12:17 PM UTC

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Can someone confirm the turret on this Sherman for me? I believe it is a D50878 "recycled" turret, but there are no visor openings in the commander's cupola. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The link is to Don Allen's (8Hussar) Photobucket to give him proper credit for the photo. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/imageproxy.php?url=https://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu336/8Hussar/Allied%20-%20US%20Tanks/M4A1%20POA-CWS-H5%20Flamethrower/M4A1POA-CWS-H5.jpg


It's a rebuilt M4A1 that appears to have had a piece of galvanized pipe welded in place over the gunner's sight to make it resemble the POA-CWS-H5 flamethrower tanks designed in Hawaii by the Chemical Warfare Section near the end of WW2 for the USMC. These conversions were done on M4A3 howitzer tanks, not dry-stowage M4A1's, and eventually saw action with the US Marines in Korea. So, unless it's some forgotten prototype preserved in Hawaii, I would assume that this display is just a piece of piostwar "imagineering."


If you look at the link that I provided, you'll see that it is a "mock up".
Dan
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 12:14 PM UTC

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Can someone confirm the turret on this Sherman for me? I believe it is a D50878 "recycled" turret, but there are no visor openings in the commander's cupola. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The link is to Don Allen's (8Hussar) Photobucket to give him proper credit for the photo. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/imageproxy.php?url=https://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu336/8Hussar/Allied%20-%20US%20Tanks/M4A1%20POA-CWS-H5%20Flamethrower/M4A1POA-CWS-H5.jpg


It's a rebuilt M4A1 that appears to have had a piece of galvanized pipe welded in place over the gunner's sight to make it resemble the POA-CWS-H5 flamethrower tanks designed in Hawaii by the Chemical Warfare Section near the end of WW2 for the USMC. These conversions were done on M4A3 howitzer tanks, not dry-stowage M4A1's, and eventually saw action with the US Marines in Korea. So, unless it's some forgotten prototype that was somehow moved from Hawaii to Fort Leonard Wood, I would assume that this display is just a piece of postwar "imagineering."
berneckir
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 05:24 AM UTC
Thanks, Dan.
One of the detail shots in the walk around shows a casting #D50878 on the right side of the turret!.
I will assume the vision ports were painted over when it was put on display.Thanks again for your assistance and of the other replyers.
Rich
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 - 03:32 PM UTC
here's a walk around-
http://www.usarmymodels.com/AFV%20PHOTOS/POA-CWS-H1%20Sherman%20Flame%20Tank/POA-CWS-H1%20Sherman%20Flame%20Tank.html

The turret looks to be a plain low bustle turret that has some post war upgrades.
Some info- http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Rare_Sherman_Variants.pdf
Dan
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 - 03:22 PM UTC
Has features of a remanufactured early M4A1. The vision blocks on the commanders cupola are there, but are painted over, or look that way due to the camera angle.
berneckir
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 - 02:19 PM UTC
Can someone confirm the turret on this Sherman for me? I believe it is a D50878 "recycled" turret, but there are no visor openings in the commander's cupola. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The link is to Don Allen's (8Hussar) Photobucket to give him proper credit for the photo. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/imageproxy.php?url=https://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu336/8Hussar/Allied%20-%20US%20Tanks/M4A1%20POA-CWS-H5%20Flamethrower/M4A1POA-CWS-H5.jpg