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Bundesluftwaffe A/C Numbers
LowFiveJoe_2
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 12:37 AM UTC
Hey Folks,

I'm planning to cobble together a West German F-4F and managed to get the Peddinghaus decal set. The set is for JG-74 Molders and includes the a/c number 38+28. Could someone decipher how this numbering system works?

I can't figure if the numbers indicate wing or squadron or what. Not much info to be found on the web re modern Luftwaffe a/c codes. Thanks.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 01:02 AM UTC
Hello Joe,

Maybe good plan to get an email out to this guy:
Harald Hensel from Hahen.
Mail to : https://shop.strato.de/epages/64625185.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/64625185/Categories/ContactForm
He's German and makes the most perfect Decal sheets for Modern German Luftwaffe, including your F-4F's.
I have sone sources too, will check this weekend.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 01:04 AM UTC
That is very nice. I actually have the same plan, in 1/72 scale. I am going to try to make a well worn grey plane.

Looking forward to see yours .



Jelger
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 01:13 AM UTC
This guy from The Netherlands has a very straight answer to your question and describes where the birds went as from 1973.

http://www.f-4.nl/f4_17.html

JG = Jagt Geschwader = Interceptors
JBG = Jagt Bomber Geschwader = Bombers

There is some history to the names given to the JG & JBG's.
Richthofen you will probably know from WW1, Molders links to WW2. Excellent Pilots with a big role in the development of the Modern German Luftwaffe.


Kind regards,

Robert Jan
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 01:28 AM UTC
Maybe a little sad, but interesting:
http://aviation.watergeek.eu/f4f-panel.html
goodn8
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 02:06 AM UTC
Joe,
very nice idea, love that bird!

The system's like that:

Between 1971 and 1976 (with 88 RF-4E and 175 F-4F) 275 phantom weapon systems were introduced into the Air Force and equipped 6 squadrons. These squadrons formed the backbone of the Bundeswehr for air reconnaissance, conventional air attack and flying air defense for quite some time. The RF-4E Phantom II carried the tactical marks 35 + 01 to 35 + 88. For the F-4F use the registrations 37 + 01 to 38 + 75. First No. shows the type of a/c, second is the unit number.

have also a look here (in german).

Th mas
LowFiveJoe_2
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 02:16 AM UTC
Robert,

Thanks for the links, great stuff. I was way over-thinking the numbers; they're BUNOs. Lol, I though they were some sort of squadron/wing code.

Jelger, I'm going 1/72 also. I'm being a bit of a bone-head thought; I'm modifying Hasegawa's F-4K/M. I'll post some build pictures in here and you can jump on board if you want. I'd be interested in comparing notes.

-Cheers
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 06:59 AM UTC
You're letting yourself in for an absolute ton of heartache by attempting to convert a Spey 'Toom into a J-79 version. You'll need to narrow pretty much the entire fuselage from intakes to exhausts.

May I humbly recommend that you find yourself an F-4E kit and purchase it using the savings from the headache medicines you won't have to buy?
LowFiveJoe_2
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Posted: Friday, November 30, 2018 - 07:27 AM UTC
Yeah, I'm starting to see the folly. I may just do that and use this one as a practice airframe.