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Bronco: US M19A1 40mm Gun Carriage
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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 - 06:29 AM UTC


Darren Baker takes a look at the US M19A1 Twin 40mm Gun Motor Carriage (Korean War) model in 1/35th scale released by Bronco Models.

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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 - 08:04 AM UTC
I don't know why people keep copying the inaccurate Wikipedia article on the M19. No, the turrets were not re-used on the M42. They are completely different turrets. And while the M19 was produced before WWII ended, I have yet to see any documentation that any made it to Europe before the war ended, let alone were actually used in combat.
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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 - 01:38 PM UTC

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I don't know why people keep copying the inaccurate Wikipedia article on the M19. No, the turrets were not re-used on the M42. They are completely different turrets. And while the M19 was produced before WWII ended, I have yet to see any documentation that any made it to Europe before the war ended, let alone were actually used in combat.



Yep, did not make it into combat during WWII. It did see heavy action in the Korean War though, as a ground support weapon for the most part, where it was very effective. And agreed, the turret was never used in the successor M42, as has also been erroneously reported. The manual was not printed for it until July 1945, after the war was over (I owned one--it was marked "Restricted"). I think all this was mentioned in a thread on the M19 when Bronco announced the kit several months back. The kit comes with a MERDC camouflage profile (along with several 1950's era vehicles) which is also fictitious--it's based on a repaint in a museum someplace, but the M-19 was long out of service with the US Army by the time MERDC arrived. It Looks like a great kit though.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 - 11:59 PM UTC
I have clearly pointed out that the introduction is the one provided by Bronco Models. I did find it a little odd that the US would remove the turrets of tanks just entering service at the end of the war in order to add this anti-aircraft turret to the hulls. I also wondered why the MERDC colour scheme was included when the introduction itself states that the vehicle was out of service at this time. As regards the transplanting of the turrets from one tank hull to a newer tank hull I can see happening at the beginning before a custom designed effort is ready.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 01:38 AM UTC

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I don't know why people keep copying the inaccurate Wikipedia article on the M19. No, the turrets were not re-used on the M42. They are completely different turrets. And while the M19 was produced before WWII ended, I have yet to see any documentation that any made it to Europe before the war ended, let alone were actually used in combat.



Yep, did not make it into combat during WWII. It did see heavy action in the Korean War though, as a ground support weapon for the most part, where it was very effective. And agreed, the turret was never used in the successor M42, as has also been erroneously reported. The manual was not printed for it until July 1945, after the war was over (I owned one--it was marked "Restricted"). I think all this was mentioned in a thread on the M19 when Bronco announced the kit several months back. The kit comes with a MERDC camouflage profile (along with several 1950's era vehicles) which is also fictitious--it's based on a repaint in a museum someplace, but the M-19 was long out of service with the US Army by the time MERDC arrived. It Looks like a great kit though.
VR, Russ




I do hope that you both are certain about the turrets.
I edited the articles on Wikipedia about the M19 and M42 .....
/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 11:00 AM UTC
Robin,
As far as I know, the M42 was a completely new design (Based on the M41 chassis) with a completely new gun tub based on the turret ring size and depth available on the "new" M-41 chassis (There were also changes made in gear drive and electronics). The M42 bearing races were different sizes from the M-19 as I recall. They both used the same gun tub general layout and design features, and do look similar, but the gun tub was not "interchangeable". The engine for the older M-26 chassis was moved into the center of the vehicle, and the gun tub sat behind the engine, with the driver's compartment in front--making it a "mid engine" AFV. The M42 was a more conventional AFV design, with the gun tub ahead and the engine in the rear, this meant the gun tub had to sit higher by a few inches. The M19 gun tub sat lower in the hull than the M-42. I'm not an expert, but the M42 and M19 are two of my favorite US AFVs. I think someone here on Armorama has actually made measurements to compare the two, which explain better than I can on why the two are not inter-changeable, but I forgot who that was. Need to look at the old postings when the Bronco kit was first announced. At one time I was going to kit-bash a Bronco Chaffee with an AFV Duster to get an M-19 (which is why I had an M-19 manual). But the more I researched the M-42, I I realized I'd need to really modify the AFV gun tub to fit the Bronco chassis properly.
VR, Russ