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Hataka colors , are they easy to paint ?
canismalus
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Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 04:07 AM UTC
Matthew, thanks for the update - what a bummer. You’re right that that freehand camouflage is the most demanding test of a paint, but it’s a test that they all should pass. Hopefully you didn‘t buy too many bottles of the stuff.
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 08:14 AM UTC
Jerry, having tried mixing with Tamiya acrylic thinner, IP Alcohol, Life Color thinner, Vallejo thinner, screen wash, water, Windsor and Newton Flow Improver, Liquitex Retarder, all with the same result, I have given up and gone ahead and done the painting I was going to do with a mix of Tamiya and Mr Hobby Color.

I should say that I was trying to use it for free hand camouflage, so close up fine lines at low pressure, which is probably the most unforgiving test of any paint, and that if I pulled the airbrush trigger right back and opened up the nozzle, the paint flowed OK, but when trying to do fine lines it just kept tip drying no matter what I mixed in.

I think I'm probably done with the red line paints from this company.

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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 - 10:14 PM UTC
Matthew, I‘m sorry to hear about your red line-induced trails and tribulations. It‘ll be interesting to hear whether Hataka responds and what their response will be. I think I‘ll give the Slow-Dri idea a go anyway but I certainly won‘t get my hopes up.

Jerry
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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2018 - 11:41 AM UTC
I tried to use another colour this evening from the same red line set and found it impossible to work with, just tip drying every few seconds. From what I can gather, the red line paints seem very susceptible to this, and, giving them the benefit of the doubt, I have asked Hataka what the solution is. I will await their response before deciding whether this red line paint set needs to be relocated to another storage container...

The orange line paints in contrast seem to be very positively viewed by users. Being lacquer based, I guess they are much more forgiving in use.
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Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 03:53 AM UTC
Hi Matthew,

Thanks a lot for your input. I‘ll have to get a hold of a bottle of Liquitex Slow Dri and see if that works for me, too.

Jerry
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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 - 11:55 AM UTC
I've just been using HTK-A196 – WW2 Hungarian Green Base, which is "red line" range, definitely not to be confused with the "orange line" range although the red on the pack looks a bit, well, orange. So this is a water based acrylic with the usual issue around the paint drying on the nozzle and needle tip. It seemed to do that a fair bit, but eventually I got it working OK with something like 1:5 Liquitex retarder to paint, which seems quite a lot of retarder, although the paint did set OK on the model, and that was enough to thin the paint down as well without anything else added.

I did also get some instances of the first light coat pooling into droplets on the surface, which I've had before with other brands of water based acrylic when they first hit the primer. Sometimes that didn't happen. When it does, the only thing is to leave it to dry then just continue; the droplets dry flat and it disappears under the next coat of two.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 02:40 AM UTC
Hi Ken,

Thanks a lot for your detailed report. The Orange Line lacquers you describe don‘t sound super promising but it‘s encouraging that they do work if you get the paint/thinner ratio just right. For my next couple rounds of painting, I‘m going to try out AK‘s Real Colors line - also lacquers. After that I might give a couple of Orange Line paints a shot as well.

Zaidi, thanks for chiming in, too.

Jerry
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Posted: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 - 03:28 PM UTC

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Here's my first impressions of the Hataka Orange line.

I received my order and decided to test it out on an Abrams project. I picked up a couple bottles of Sand FS33531 for modern US armor.

I'm working on an old Trumpeter M1A1HA kit that I did a bunch of mods to correct some of the issues with the kit. I had already primed with Tamiya gray primer.

The Hataka orange paint needs to be thinned perfectly to spray right. It seems very un-forgiving in that area. It took some practice but I got it to lay down right. Once you get the mix just right, you'll notice that the pigment is not very opaque. I'm having to lay down many coats to cover the gray primer. Opacity is definitely the weakest part of this paint.

I don't have any Mr. Color self leveling thinner, but I do have some Tamiya Lacquer thinner. I tried both the Hataka thinner and the Tamiya lacquer and I thought the Hataka thinner worked better. I didn't try standard Tamiya thinner nor the real colors thinner I have.

Overall, my initial impression of it is just meh. I'm an old school MM enamel and Tamiya paint modeler. I also use Ammo of Mig and AK real colors for most of my armor projects. Overall, I would say Hataka orange sprays a little better than Ammo paint, but with weak opacity.

I'm hoping the darker colors work better since I invested in several colors for aircraft camo in SEA, Euro 1, and the typical 2 to 3 tone gray schemes of the USAF and USN.

I'm sure after I get the hang of spraying this stuff, I'll like it more. When I first started using the Ammo line of paints, I thought it was garbage. After changing over to the Tamiya Acrylic thinner, I can spray ammo paints as easily as regular Tamiya paint.



very helpful review..i only test with their french 3 tone nato set. thinned with 40% and opacity is ok



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I'm sure after I get the hang of spraying this stuff, I'll like it more. When I first started using the Ammo line of paints, I thought it was garbage. After changing over to the Tamiya Acrylic thinner, I can spray ammo paints as easily as regular Tamiya paint.



wow..another new lesson i learn.. u meant ammo mig can be thinne with tamiya thinner?
i had a bottle unused since i dont do tamiya paints anymore. FOr ammo mig, i used mr.levelling thinner and get best result

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Posted: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 - 02:08 PM UTC
Here's my first impressions of the Hataka Orange line.

I received my order and decided to test it out on an Abrams project. I picked up a couple bottles of Sand FS33531 for modern US armor.

I'm working on an old Trumpeter M1A1HA kit that I did a bunch of mods to correct some of the issues with the kit. I had already primed with Tamiya gray primer.

The Hataka orange paint needs to be thinned perfectly to spray right. It seems very un-forgiving in that area. It took some practice but I got it to lay down right. Once you get the mix just right, you'll notice that the pigment is not very opaque. I'm having to lay down many coats to cover the gray primer. Opacity is definitely the weakest part of this paint.

I don't have any Mr. Color self leveling thinner, but I do have some Tamiya Lacquer thinner. I tried both the Hataka thinner and the Tamiya lacquer and I thought the Hataka thinner worked better. I didn't try standard Tamiya thinner nor the real colors thinner I have.

Overall, my initial impression of it is just meh. I'm an old school MM enamel and Tamiya paint modeler. I also use Ammo of Mig and AK real colors for most of my armor projects. Overall, I would say Hataka orange sprays a little better than Ammo paint, but with weak opacity.

I'm hoping the darker colors work better since I invested in several colors for aircraft camo in SEA, Euro 1, and the typical 2 to 3 tone gray schemes of the USAF and USN.

I'm sure after I get the hang of spraying this stuff, I'll like it more. When I first started using the Ammo line of paints, I thought it was garbage. After changing over to the Tamiya Acrylic thinner, I can spray ammo paints as easily as regular Tamiya paint.
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 08:55 PM UTC
They have 2 lines of paits an acrylic that apparently is not very user friendly and laquer that go much better
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 07:57 PM UTC
their orange line is ok with me...
being a lacquer paints user such as mr.hobby range, the orange line seems to be similar and mix very well with mr.hobby thinner

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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 02:46 PM UTC
I decided to jump into their orange line and I have 20 bottles getting delivered tomorrow. I'm giving them a try for aircraft for now.

In the past, I've exclusively used MM enamels for aircraft. After Testors discontinued a big chunk of their military colors, I've decided to divest them as I use up my current stocks of colors.
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 06:08 AM UTC
Thanks for the info guys, seems it's like i thought..
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 05:50 AM UTC
I had the some problem of Jerry with some color I bought three years ago and I will not use their acrylic forever. No way to thin them even with their specific thinner. I tried every thinner I had without any good result. I don't know if they changed the formula because I heard some modellers having problems and more recently some not. A member of my model club paint an airplane with their new laquer colors and he was really satisfied.
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 04:31 AM UTC
Hi Håkan,

A year ago or so I tried to use (emphasis on try) Hataka's OTAN Vert for my Takom AML-90 and it was infuriating. No matter what I pulled out of my bag of airbrush tricks, whatever combination/degree of thinning it with Hataka's own thinner or turning the pressure on my airbrush up or down I tried usually horribly clogged up my airbrush; for it to spray at all, I had to thin the paint so far down that it had the consistency of colored water.

After breaking the airbrush down and cleaning it (and the model) thoroughly, spraying the matching shade of Vallejo Model Air was such a relief, I can tell you.

I have read about other modellers succeeding with Hataka paints, like this aircraft modeller, for example:

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234976222-172-airfix-do17z-defiant-dogfight-double-or-a-rakes-work-in-progress-pic-heavy/&

But I wouldn't recommend them, unless they've changed their formula in the meantime. Their paint sets look appealing and their shades are nice, but I couldn't get them to work at all. By the way, I have no problem spraying other acrylics, from Vallejo, Ammo, etc. (Only AK's acrylics (not their Real Colors, but the ones in 17ml bottles) are often hit or miss, because some shades don't contain enough pigments.)

I hope this helps.

Jerry
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2018 - 03:43 AM UTC
Have any used hataka coulors , i wounder if they are easy to paint with in a airbrush or difficult like ammo colours ? Are they very gloss ? The colours i'm intreasted in are for tanks.. Thanks in advance