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Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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b2nhvi
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Posted: Monday, August 06, 2018 - 05:25 AM UTC
How big a difference is there in weight and space needed between the tank mounted version of the PaK 43 and the Panther's 75mm? I have a craving to build a E-10 and was thinking of bumping the gun up to an 88mm. I know, it's a paper panzer and I can do whatever I want, but I want to keep it in the realm of possibility. Weight might not be a problem .... beef up the suspension. Issue might be space for the breach /recoil system. The E-25 would be better able to handle both, but it looks too "normal" (jagdpanzer / hetzer - ish) The E-10 just looks sinister.
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Posted: Monday, August 06, 2018 - 07:53 AM UTC
You could put steel road wheels in front to simulate load bearing.
SSGToms
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Posted: Monday, August 06, 2018 - 01:36 PM UTC
You'd never fit the recuperator cylinders in there. Also recoil travel is your enemy in this case.
RLlockie
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Posted: Monday, August 06, 2018 - 03:57 PM UTC
There are also the practical considerations of ammunition storage and loading. 8.8cm shells were much bigger and someone has to get them out of their racks into the breech ring within the turret volume, given the fact that much of the space is occupied by the rear of the weapon and assorted other turret equipment and crew members.
TopSmith
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 12:20 PM UTC
Think about the size difference between a Panzer 4 turret and a King Tiger turret. The 88 is larger, the recoil is longer and the rounds are much larger.
TopSmith
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 12:23 PM UTC
My what if would be to get a Wespe and put a Panthers 75MM on board. That is workable.
b2nhvi
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 02:32 PM UTC
Open tops are simple. As long as the chassis not backed up flush against a brick wall the travel of the breach is not much of an issue. I mean they mounted (or planned to) 128mm PaK 44 on what was basicly a PzKw 38(t) . The E-10 and E-25 were intended on packing the Panthers 75mm. I thought the E-25 was suppose to replace the Jagdpanther , so one would think the big 88 would be an option.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 08:36 PM UTC
Just saw something about the schmalturm being able to mount an 88mm. How much room did it have? Thought it was smaller than a standard Panther turret. Also they mentioned a PaK 43 with a new recoil system with no recuperator tubes on top and chambered for a round with a shorter, fatter shell to make it easier to handle in the confined space. Also, I think the fighting compartments are about (Scientific Wild Ass Guess) 240 X 160 cm for the E-10 and 280 X 170 cm for the E-25.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 07:12 AM UTC

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Just saw something about the schmalturm being able to mount an 88mm. How much room did it have? Thought it was smaller than a standard Panther turret. Also they mentioned a PaK 43 with a new recoil system with no recuperator tubes on top and chambered for a round with a shorter, fatter shell to make it easier to handle in the confined space. Also, I think the fighting compartments are about (Scientific Wild Ass Guess) 240 X 160 cm for the E-10 and 280 X 170 cm for the E-25.


Plans were drawn up to mount the 88 in the Schmalturm beginning in October, 1945. The gun would have been way out of balance, and the space to load would have been insanely tight, but it was feasible. The Schmalturm had the same turret ring diameter as the Panther G, but was narrower towards the front, hence the name (schmal means narrow).
Kaktusas
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 06:34 PM UTC
A good way to compare space required, is to put Marder 3 aside Nashorn. Then you realize how big/long Pak43 is. You can beef up a lot of things, but that just adds weight. Then you need to beef up tranny and engine, etc etc. Essentially, you will end up in bigger tank... Bigger gun is not an answer, the balance on the other hand, is.