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Proposal: Logistic
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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2018 - 02:55 AM UTC
Howdy Y'all
Why not submit your kit to the leader and let him make a decision with a brief "yes" or "no". I doubt some subjects presented have even been kitted. If you have your heart set on an Engineering vehicle then save it for an Engineering campaign or start one yourself. I'd love to join in on one but I have plenty of "Logistics" kits to keep busy until then.
Just my 2 cents.
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Don "Lakota"
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2018 - 09:44 PM UTC

and our beloved leader rolls his eyes and wonder's what this idiot is trying to pass as Logistic now .
Just a couple of thoughts:
Dedicated Snow removal vehicle ?
Rubbish/garbage removal vehicle ?
USAF Hybrid Dump Truck (undergoing evaluation; I'll admit - borderline ) ?

So those are a couple of my choices. I'll wait for the Campaign Leader to say yay or nay to examples as below :







Awaiting your orders Sir
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 09:14 PM UTC
Not hijacking the topic, but I would gladly join a Campaign for Engineer's equipment...
BTW-I like the boxes for Logistics Campaign logo(Peter-the Guru of Campaign ribbons!!!)
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 04:37 PM UTC

Was just pondering and remembered a few more things that can cause confusion in the Logistics vs Combat Engineer debate:

Engineer vehicles of the likes of Motor Graders, Scrapers etc. were not defined as Combat Support vehicles in both the Logistic (parts purchasing/outsourcing repairs ++) and from the EME (Electrical Mechanical Engineers - for those unfamiliar with Commonwealth Corp) they were classed as C type vehicles when repairs were required (vehicle type and financial classification)(within NZDF).
That said I can easily see why people consider them 'Combat' support vehicles i.e. in the movie world they are often portrayed as "in the hot zone" busily repairing runways and such- think SeeBee's.
Another area that blurs these parameters is the fact that a number of Defence Forces now undertake more and more humanitarian missions - road building, building construction, and such forth so Engineering vehicles are no longer used in their primary role.
Just some tidbits of info on how some other Defence Forces classify equipment and is in no way meant to flame or undermine the Campaign Leaders decision.
As previously stated I'm more than happy to abide by the original decision. Have dozens more victims rolling about in my little noggin.


PS. Good idea about a dedicated "Engineer" campaign .
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 03:13 PM UTC

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I believe the confusion on this matter stems from the limited exposure by many modeller's to the non-combat roles within the Defence Forces.




Fair comment. Most people would equate Logistics to their exposure in Civil use and as defined in common use definitions, such as from the good old Oxford Dictionary:

"Logistics

1.0 The detailed organization and implementation of a complex operation.

1.1 The activity of organizing the movement, equipment, and accommodation of troops.

1.2 The commercial activity of transporting goods to customers."

which is what I believe Martin's intent is.



I still like the idea of a separate dedicated engineer build in the future as that would have vary varied options with a lot of scope, from earthmoving up to vehicle recovery and then into combat engineering functions, laying or removing mines, bridge laying/building, etc.
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 02:11 PM UTC
I would vote for #3 except there's not color to it.
Therefore I vote for #1.
Still haven't decided what to build. I've got a few choices in the stash.
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Don "Lakota"
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 09:35 AM UTC
Just putting it out there (for those unfamiliar with Logistics - having spent 12 years in Defence Logistic Corp), Engineering Coy's are more than often assigned to Logistic Coy/Bat's to undertake numerous tasks that the various Support Corps do not have the required equipment/skills to undertake ..... (more common with smaller sized Defence Forces)....
as a couple of examples:
a: Bulk fuel installations - earth bunds need to be prepared
b: Hospital (containerised) need site leveling
c: Sanitation areas need settling/collection ponds, run-off channels prepared.
I believe the confusion on this matter stems from the limited exposure by many modeller's to the non-combat roles within the Defence Forces.

That said I'm quite happy stand by your decision Martin.
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 08:29 AM UTC
@ - andromeda673

For some reason I just missed your question - no problem to build vehicles from the air carriers - I think that they are supporting, so...
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 08:22 AM UTC

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I have a question, for logistics purpose, can I build a 1/32 navy air craft carrier deck tractor, they are always moving weapons, fuel, personal, etc.



Martin the Campaign Leader has the final say on this, but I would say that this fits the rules:

"Operational Overview
A campaign for all of those who are in the second line and supporting the fighting line. "

... in the same way an artillery tractor fits. Basically anything that moves some form of manufactured materials from A to B that somehow aids the frontline soldier (i.e moving soil from A to B is engineering, but moving beer crates from A to B [for shipping to the quatermaster's personal stash - oops] is Logistics )


Martin would I be correct in saying more expanded examples are:

A Train engine with attached Cargo/platform trucks (unarmed trucks)
Military transport aircraft (no AC47 Puff the Magic Dragons!)
Any cargo transport type truck
Forklifts, trolley lift trucks, etc
Container ships, Oil Tankers, etc (Maybe stretching here)
Purpose built Artillery tractors/ towing vehicles (No gun tanks with artillery tied to the back)
Tank Transporters
Airfield/carrier support vehicles (bomb/missile rack towing vehicles, fuel trucks, etc.)




Those are already OK -I think that a wrote them in the beginning. If not - it is my mistake. The problem is t he engineering machines - in my (army) opinion they are in the first line of the war field.
The list that is somewhere up here is just an example of logistic vehicles - not the only allowed for this campaign.

Everything that is supporting the troops and the first line but not involved directly - it is OK. Towing trucks, loading trucks, forklifts, artillery ammunition suppliers, fuel and water trucks, container trucks, tank loaders.
Just an examples.

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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 08:15 AM UTC

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It would be fun with a dedicated Engineering campaign sometime next year



You just volunteered to be Campaign Leader and I'll be your first recruit.
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 08:13 AM UTC
It would be fun with a dedicated Engineering campaign sometime next year
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 08:08 AM UTC


Not sure the frontline soldier is all that worried about his garden unless he is growing something to smoke

I get where the question comes from as the Campaign Overview of

"Operational Overview
A campaign for all of those who are in the second line and supporting the fighting line. "

...would suggest an excavator digging trenches could be supporting the fighting line.

Maybe clarification

"Operational Overview
A campaign for all of those who are involved in the movement of manufactured goods in support of those on the fighting line. "


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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 07:56 AM UTC

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I have a question, for logistics purpose, can I build a 1/32 navy air craft carrier deck tractor, they are always moving weapons, fuel, personal, etc.



Martin the Campaign Leader has the final say on this, but I would say that this fits the rules in the same way an artillery tractor fits. Basically anything that moves some form of manufactured materials from A to B (i.e moving soil from A to B is engineering, but moving beer crates from A to B is Logistics )



What happens when the customer has ordered new soil for his garden and it has to be transported from somewhere to the garden in question?

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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 07:39 AM UTC

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I have a question, for logistics purpose, can I build a 1/32 navy air craft carrier deck tractor, they are always moving weapons, fuel, personal, etc.



Martin the Campaign Leader has the final say on this, but I would say that this fits the rules:

"Operational Overview
A campaign for all of those who are in the second line and supporting the fighting line. "

... in the same way an artillery tractor fits. Basically anything that moves some form of manufactured materials from A to B that somehow aids the frontline soldier (i.e moving soil from A to B is engineering, but moving beer crates from A to B [for shipping to the quatermaster's personal stash - oops] is Logistics )


Martin would I be correct in saying more expanded examples are:

A Train engine with attached Cargo/platform trucks (unarmed trucks)
Military transport aircraft (no AC47 Puff the Magic Dragons!)
Any cargo transport type truck
Forklifts, trolley lift trucks, etc
Container ships, Oil Tankers, etc (Maybe stretching here)
Purpose built Artillery tractors/ towing vehicles (No gun tanks with artillery tied to the back)
Tank Transporters
Airfield/carrier support vehicles (bomb/missile rack towing vehicles, fuel trucks, etc.)

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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 04:07 AM UTC

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Peter for your ribbon ideas.
Being ex-RNZAOC I'm inclined to opt for the first - just the boxes .
I've finally decided (subject to change at a later date ) on what I plan to build. It's something slightly odd in comparison to the majority - Schreitbagger Kaiser SX - Austrian Bundesheer @ 25th.
See you all at the start line .



For those of us who need to ask Google:


That is a really cool subject for this campaign
/ Robin



This is engineering and not logistic machine - those are not allowed....
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 02:03 AM UTC
I like the ribbon with the crates, I think that pretty much sums up logistics.

I have a question, for logistics purpose, can I build a 1/32 navy air craft carrier deck tractor, they are always moving weapons, fuel, personal, etc.

If not, then no worries, I'll just find something else to build. It's good to be back!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 10:37 PM UTC

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Peter for your ribbon ideas.
Being ex-RNZAOC I'm inclined to opt for the first - just the boxes .
I've finally decided (subject to change at a later date ) on what I plan to build. It's something slightly odd in comparison to the majority - Schreitbagger Kaiser SX - Austrian Bundesheer @ 25th.
See you all at the start line .



For those of us who need to ask Google:


That is a really cool subject for this campaign
/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 10:09 PM UTC
Peter for your ribbon ideas.
Being ex-RNZAOC I'm inclined to opt for the first - just the boxes .
I've finally decided (subject to change at a later date ) on what I plan to build. It's something slightly odd in comparison to the majority - Schreitbagger Kaiser SX - Austrian Bundesheer @ 25th.
See you all at the start line .
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 07:16 PM UTC
My vote goes to Crates with Logo

/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 02:38 PM UTC

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I work in this activity area and I can say forklift and footed staff never load a truck at the same time.



Never run out of gas then

How about a variation then


and this one

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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 12:18 AM UTC
I prefer the fourth in Peter list. Very cool !

In my mind the maneuver visible in the fifth drawing has no sense.

I work in this activity area and I can say forklift and footed staff never load a truck at the same time.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 03:54 PM UTC
Let's vote.
I am for number 5 ribbon.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 09:45 AM UTC
Ohhh ... now it gets difficult ....
I like all of the suggestions by Peter above
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 08:55 AM UTC

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I'll be happy to get some ideas for the ribbon of this one.
I'm not so creative.
The only one that I built is this:



How about:





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Posted: Monday, August 06, 2018 - 10:54 AM UTC
Thank you, Martin. Count me in with an LAV-LOG then, it's gonna mean a bunch of surgery and kit bashing. An excuse to buy more stuff for the stash, WOOHOO!