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Bruc84
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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2018 - 11:55 PM UTC
It is a little bit betther, but something is missing...
I want to put some dust with airbrush on the rubble… do you have some recipie?
Second option is to leave it like it is put some puddles, some grass growing from the rubble an make it like the rubble is there for a while and it has been washed from the rain several times...
Suggestions welcome...
Dioramartin
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 - 12:29 AM UTC
Bostjan – looks great, some suggestions:
More random rubble on the street & pavement – unless your depiction is long after the action when streets were swept/tidied, of course. If it is, then yes your ideas about weeds/puddles sound good.
It’s a building so it had windows – I don’t see any pieces of shattered window frames (balsa) or broken glass (bits of acetate and/or crushed rock-salt) in the rubble. That window in the ruin could also have fragments of frame/glass in it.
Dust – buy 5 small sticks of pastel chalk from an Artists materials shop – blue, yellow, red, black & white. Make 5 piles of dust scraping the side of each stick with a blade, then use a soft brush to mix an unlimited range of colours such as brick-dust, concrete, soot etc as though you were mixing paint on a palette. Then just brush the dust on - it won’t blow away but if it worries you a very light spray of matt/flat fixative will ensure it all stays put.
Tim
More random rubble on the street & pavement – unless your depiction is long after the action when streets were swept/tidied, of course. If it is, then yes your ideas about weeds/puddles sound good.
It’s a building so it had windows – I don’t see any pieces of shattered window frames (balsa) or broken glass (bits of acetate and/or crushed rock-salt) in the rubble. That window in the ruin could also have fragments of frame/glass in it.
Dust – buy 5 small sticks of pastel chalk from an Artists materials shop – blue, yellow, red, black & white. Make 5 piles of dust scraping the side of each stick with a blade, then use a soft brush to mix an unlimited range of colours such as brick-dust, concrete, soot etc as though you were mixing paint on a palette. Then just brush the dust on - it won’t blow away but if it worries you a very light spray of matt/flat fixative will ensure it all stays put.
Tim
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 - 12:45 AM UTC
Dust from concrete and mortar would be light grey so a very light layer of the colours from the joints between the bricks and the plaster outside the bricks could be a solution.
It would be a pity to cover those nicely painted paving stones but at least there should be more "dust" in the cracks
Some other thoughts:
1. Bricks broken out from the walls and lying on the street/sidewalk should have more residue from the mortar joints on them. They look a little too clean now.
2. That kind of damage to the building should have created more rubble. An alternative now is to make the remaining rubble look like someone has removed most of it and just a little remains. In that case the left overs should be more regular as if someone has cleared the street and half of the sidewalk.
3. If there had been rubble on the street the joints between the paving stones should be full of dust.
4. The paving stones, street and sidewalk, look wet (washed or by a recent rain) and in that case the heaps of rubble would have less well defined edges. The finer stuff would have washed out over the paving stones and filled in the cracks.
Some inspiration
Civilians clearing rubble. Note how it is shovelled into heaps to clear the road.
A "cleared" street ...
Aleppo, rubble looks more or less the same today ...
Note the size of the heaps. Doing that size is unrealistic in your diorama but you get the general idea. Even if it has been cleared the cleared surfaces should probably be dirtier ...
Another "clean" street ...
Grass growing at the edge of the rubble
Searching for something useful ...
Street which has not been cleared ...
This could be a bit further down from your street corner
"MacFarland standing near automobile in a bombed street where rubble has been piled onto sidewalks in Berlin, Germany in April 1945"
Instead of cleaning the insides of the haouse they now clean the insides of the house off the street
It would be a pity to cover those nicely painted paving stones but at least there should be more "dust" in the cracks
Some other thoughts:
1. Bricks broken out from the walls and lying on the street/sidewalk should have more residue from the mortar joints on them. They look a little too clean now.
2. That kind of damage to the building should have created more rubble. An alternative now is to make the remaining rubble look like someone has removed most of it and just a little remains. In that case the left overs should be more regular as if someone has cleared the street and half of the sidewalk.
3. If there had been rubble on the street the joints between the paving stones should be full of dust.
4. The paving stones, street and sidewalk, look wet (washed or by a recent rain) and in that case the heaps of rubble would have less well defined edges. The finer stuff would have washed out over the paving stones and filled in the cracks.
Some inspiration
Civilians clearing rubble. Note how it is shovelled into heaps to clear the road.
A "cleared" street ...
Aleppo, rubble looks more or less the same today ...
Note the size of the heaps. Doing that size is unrealistic in your diorama but you get the general idea. Even if it has been cleared the cleared surfaces should probably be dirtier ...
Another "clean" street ...
Grass growing at the edge of the rubble
Searching for something useful ...
Street which has not been cleared ...
This could be a bit further down from your street corner
"MacFarland standing near automobile in a bombed street where rubble has been piled onto sidewalks in Berlin, Germany in April 1945"
Instead of cleaning the insides of the haouse they now clean the insides of the house off the street
Bruc84
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 - 12:45 AM UTC
I think that i Will go with the "washed" grass growing look and some puddles… Do you have some good home made recipie for puddles? or i shuld buy vallejo still water?
I Will put some pigments at the edge of the rubble (and some inside) and i Will fix them with white spirit… i Will also make marks to the puddles (in the rain gutter) to show how the dust was hash away
The window pieces are in plan, but i Will add theme in the end…
Thanks for your suggestions...
I Will put some pigments at the edge of the rubble (and some inside) and i Will fix them with white spirit… i Will also make marks to the puddles (in the rain gutter) to show how the dust was hash away
The window pieces are in plan, but i Will add theme in the end…
Thanks for your suggestions...
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 - 12:59 AM UTC
No, no recipe for puddles. I have never tried to make a diorama.
Any type of acrylic laquer or even floor polish should work as long as it is built up in thin layers.
Details of rubble/dust on sidewalk
/ Robin
Any type of acrylic laquer or even floor polish should work as long as it is built up in thin layers.
Details of rubble/dust on sidewalk
/ Robin
Bruc84
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Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 - 07:31 AM UTC
Ok... some progress...
pastels fixed with white spirit, some grass tufs and some moss in the canal...
Robin, thanks for the fotos of rubble... they will be useful in next projects...
The dust is not so shiny in reality...
now i am playing with the puddles in the canal...
comments welcome...
pastels fixed with white spirit, some grass tufs and some moss in the canal...
Robin, thanks for the fotos of rubble... they will be useful in next projects...
The dust is not so shiny in reality...
now i am playing with the puddles in the canal...
comments welcome...
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 - 09:17 AM UTC
Much better!
Maybe let the dust reach larger areas of the street?
There would have been large dust clouds when the building got damaged, covering the whole street and maybe washed away where streams of rain water had a chance to wash it away ....
/ Robin
Maybe let the dust reach larger areas of the street?
There would have been large dust clouds when the building got damaged, covering the whole street and maybe washed away where streams of rain water had a chance to wash it away ....
/ Robin
Bruc84
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Posted: Sunday, October 07, 2018 - 11:03 PM UTC