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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 - 07:06 PM UTC
Just thought I'd throw out there that I would be much more willing to turn off my ad blocker if the ads on the left of the page weren't animated. It is probably just me, but they drive me nuts.
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 - 07:36 PM UTC
I know this topic has come up many times before, and thought I would add my two cents. The ads on this site pay for the site and the maintenance of the content. As for the ads themselves, none of the ads are intrusive or of the "pop-up" variety.

I feel the way this site does ads is very good, they are not intermingled in the content, they are small and off to the side, not being intrusive at all.

A lot of people think the internet is free, but it does cost a lot of money to run sites, hence there needs to be revenue. Those people that use ad blockers could be potentially sending the internet to start charging large fees, just have a look at what is going on in the US with Net Neutrality.

I have no issue with a couple of ads to help pay for a site and maintain the content. And I have even seen some that appealed to me and caused me to click, and I even bought stuff from that site.

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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 - 08:53 PM UTC
I, personally, don't have a problem with the ads as they are.
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 - 10:06 PM UTC
Net Neutrality has nothing to do with that. It is about government regulation of ISPs to compel them to treat all data on the internet the same and not differentiate the fees or access to that data.

How to fund a website is up to the owner.
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 - 10:10 PM UTC

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How to fund a website is up to the owner.



If Net Neutrality does not pass, then it will be much more difficult to determine how to fund websites, and depending on who owns the content or connection to the content could reduce traffic. Hence advertiser would be less willing to advertise. It will have a huge impact on sites and revenue.
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 - 10:44 PM UTC

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How to fund a website is up to the owner.



If Net Neutrality does not pass, then it will be much more difficult to determine how to fund websites, and depending on who owns the content or connection to the content could reduce traffic. Hence advertiser would be less willing to advertise. It will have a huge impact on sites and revenue.



"All" the ads would be placed at sites that can pay to have their traffic prioritised. Specialised ads, like the ones you see to the left of this thread would probably continue to choose sites according to their specialisation (no ads about dog food or accounting services at Armorama). The ads on the right side could be another matter since they are tailored to the actual viewer, I am seeing Swedish ads about swapping apartments based on my location and the fact that I searched for apartment swaps in a specific area to determine what kind of properties were on a specific street.
If you see a lot of ads with half naked women You need to change Your surfing habits or check what the members of Your family are doing with "Your" computer

Personally I don't have any issue at all with the hobby related ads on the left, it's something that moves at the edge of my visual focus area and after a while I have learned to ignore them, occasionally there is something interesting.
The ads on the right stay still and they usually don't interest or annoy me. Sometimes I take to time to inform Google (or whoever runs the ad-service) that the ad does not interest me. I do this in the vain hope that the ads will eventually become slightly interesting. Click the little triangle in the top right corner of the ad and let the roulette wheel spin, maybe it comes up with something interesting ...
/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 12:01 AM UTC
I have a little different take on the ads. Like Andrew, I find the constant "flipping" a little distracting, and more than a few times I felt I might have "bumped" my touch screen to cause the screen to jump-- only to realize it's an ad "flipping in my peripheral vision. That said, I also have another pet peeve with these ads-- they flip so fast, even when I see one that's interesting, I've missed the message because it's impossible to read them unless you are deliberately watching them, which I try not to do for two reasons:
1) I'm focused on the more important aspect of the site-- the actual message board, and don't want to be distracted.
2) if I do click on the ad icon link, it usually takes me to a manufacturer's website in which I have to wade through a bunch crap in order to see what was flashing on the icon in the first place-- which aggravates me even further, and I just back out of the site entirely.
So, in fact the "message" of the ad is defeated by the speed of the "flipping".
I think if this "flipping" could be slowed down to a point where the ads are actually readable, with a coherent message, it would be better for everyone concerned-- those who want to see the message can see it, and those who are distracted by the constant "flipping" will be able to focus on the message board without a continuous distraction in their peripheral vision.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 03:07 AM UTC
I became a Kitmaker subscriber. No ads on the side(s). Just 1 or 2 at the top of the page.

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Kolvir
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 03:32 AM UTC

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I became a Kitmaker subscriber. No ads on the side(s). Just 1 or 2 at the top of the page.



I didn't realize that was an option. I will look into it as soon as funds become available.

I can't imagine the hundreds of dollars I would have had to spend on books to learn the tips and techniques I've gotten from modeling forums. How did we build before the internet?
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 03:56 AM UTC

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I became a Kitmaker subscriber. No ads on the side(s). Just 1 or 2 at the top of the page.



I didn't realize that was an option. I will look into it as soon as funds become available.

I can't imagine the hundreds of dollars I would have had to spend on books to learn the tips and techniques I've gotten from modeling forums. How did we build before the internet?



Clubs, SIG's, this thing I think it was called a Public Library, lots of use of the US Postal Service and in my case hang out at the Squadron Shop (as long as I didn't annoy the grown-ups)

Cheers


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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 04:03 AM UTC

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I became a Kitmaker subscriber. No ads on the side(s). Just 1 or 2 at the top of the page.



I didn't realize that was an option. I will look into it as soon as funds become available.

I can't imagine the hundreds of dollars I would have had to spend on books to learn the tips and techniques I've gotten from modeling forums. How did we build before the internet?



Starnge you should ask that. I used to believe that the hobby was dying with the demise of the LHS (I still love my LHS by the way, lest anyone think I'm advocating for the Internet). But, I've changed my mind about the Hobby dying--I think it's more vibrant, with more offerings, and modelers have become more sophisticated in taste, skill and knowledge than ever before. All due to the internet and sites like this. I see increases in membership at our local clubs and modelling is getting more attention by non-modellers than ever before. It's because we can communicate over long distances, share knowledge and skills, and our buying power on line (and in the LHS too) has caused manufacturing at a higher level than ever before. Far from dying-- our hobby is enjoying a new Renaissance thanks to our ability to communicate on this medium across great distances-- where we were isolated before, we have freinds and acquaintances on different continents. Sites like this bring us closer together as modelers and hobbyists. As a result, our numbers are growing. The answer to your question--"How did we get along without it?"-- the answer is simple-- we didn't at the level we can now.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - 03:34 PM UTC

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I became a Kitmaker subscriber. No ads on the side(s). Just 1 or 2 at the top of the page.



I didn't realize that was an option. I will look into it as soon as funds become available.

I can't imagine the hundreds of dollars I would have had to spend on books to learn the tips and techniques I've gotten from modeling forums. How did we build before the internet?



Starnge you should ask that. I used to believe that the hobby was dying with the demise of the LHS (I still love my LHS by the way, lest anyone think I'm advocating for the Internet). But, I've changed my mind about the Hobby dying--I think it's more vibrant, with more offerings, and modelers have become more sophisticated in taste, skill and knowledge than ever before. All due to the internet and sites like this. I see increases in membership at our local clubs and modelling is getting more attention by non-modellers than ever before. It's because we can communicate over long distances, share knowledge and skills, and our buying power on line (and in the LHS too) has caused manufacturing at a higher level than ever before. Far from dying-- our hobby is enjoying a new Renaissance thanks to our ability to communicate on this medium across great distances-- where we were isolated before, we have freinds and acquaintances on different continents. Sites like this bring us closer together as modelers and hobbyists. As a result, our numbers are growing. The answer to your question--"How did we get along without it?"-- the answer is simple-- we didn't at the level we can now.
VR, Russ


I agree to an extent Russ. But what about our kids ? With the prices we pay our kids cant get into the hobby like we did ! what kid can afford $40 plus to buy a model. and today the parents cant afford many either ! how do you learn,screw up try again on these models ? I remember spending pennies for models , then if they didnt look good,.blowing them up with firecrackers and getting another one . I dont see much of a future unless they bring the prices down,( Or make entry level models ?). I hope Im wrong !
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Posted: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - 03:40 PM UTC
PS and I dont mind the ads at all !!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - 10:47 PM UTC

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I became a Kitmaker subscriber. No ads on the side(s). Just 1 or 2 at the top of the page.



I didn't realize that was an option. I will look into it as soon as funds become available.

I can't imagine the hundreds of dollars I would have had to spend on books to learn the tips and techniques I've gotten from modeling forums. How did we build before the internet?



Starnge you should ask that. I used to believe that the hobby was dying with the demise of the LHS (I still love my LHS by the way, lest anyone think I'm advocating for the Internet). But, I've changed my mind about the Hobby dying--I think it's more vibrant, with more offerings, and modelers have become more sophisticated in taste, skill and knowledge than ever before. All due to the internet and sites like this. I see increases in membership at our local clubs and modelling is getting more attention by non-modellers than ever before. It's because we can communicate over long distances, share knowledge and skills, and our buying power on line (and in the LHS too) has caused manufacturing at a higher level than ever before. Far from dying-- our hobby is enjoying a new Renaissance thanks to our ability to communicate on this medium across great distances-- where we were isolated before, we have freinds and acquaintances on different continents. Sites like this bring us closer together as modelers and hobbyists. As a result, our numbers are growing. The answer to your question--"How did we get along without it?"-- the answer is simple-- we didn't at the level we can now.
VR, Russ


I agree to an extent Russ. But what about our kids ? With the prices we pay our kids cant get into the hobby like we did ! what kid can afford $40 plus to buy a model. and today the parents cant afford many either ! how do you learn,screw up try again on these models ? I remember spending pennies for models , then if they didnt look good,.blowing them up with firecrackers and getting another one . I dont see much of a future unless they bring the prices down,( Or make entry level models ?). I hope Im wrong !



Lou,
I think that's where stores like Michael's and Hobby Lobby come in, where you can still pick up a model or two for a few dollars, and where companies like Round2 and Revell-Monogram still come in (as much as I hate too see some of the "old dogs" re-released, instead of coming up with new stuff). We recently held our annual Museum of Flight model exhibition here in Seattle. We have two shops that routinely do the Revell "make and take". All the kits for that (about 60) were gone in an hour (however, with the demise of Hobbico, that program may now be in doubt). At that exhibition, there must have been over a 1000 kids (and lots of adults) who strolled through the model tables (which held a couple of thousand models+ thanks to the word getting out through the Internet and email) over a two day period. So even with the absence of kits in the local drug store, I think kids are getting exposed to the hobby-- at least here in the Puget Sound region. I think the real challenge is getting them away from the other activities they are ingaged in-- such as gaming. But I think many parents are recognizing kids need to be more well rounded, and modeling helps with that.
VR, Russ