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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Thunder Models Scammell Pioneer TRMU30/TRCU30
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Posted: Monday, January 01, 2018 - 02:53 AM GMT+7
Real nice job!,
I have the LZ models resin wheel sets for both the tractor and trailer (firestone) and the tread pattern is the same on both!?, I'm confused.
Happy new year
gloucesternige
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 03:10 AM GMT+7
So guys, I've been busy on this one, and slowly getting there...



If you don't already have this kit, get it.. it's brilliant!!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 08:29 AM GMT+7
gloucesternige
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Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 05:23 AM GMT+7



Actually, no he didnt.. I posted pics of my modded axle on november 25th, Terry waited until December 5th. so.. I WIN!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 05:20 AM GMT+7
Been playing with some paint now guys.. still waiting for the Mig ammo desert yellow RAL8020.. I gave the chassis and odds and ends a coat of Alclad black primer filler..





I was hoping this would show up any imperfections, mould seams or gaps.. but no it all looks good initially, until I added some desert sand colour I remember I mixed up for my Matilda.

Man, those imperfections pop now!!

If you've been thinking of getting this kit, I think these next three pics might make your mind up for you? Its some of the best detail I've ever seen on a £50 kit!!



Engine is Gunze RLM 65, transmission is Tamiya XF26 deep green.



The rear end is just as busy..



Isn't it amazing what a little colour can do for a model. Just think how much better it's gonna look with washes and weathering!!
petbat
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Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 07:51 AM GMT+7
Hi Nige.

Terry Ashley beat you to the punch:
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/thundermodel/tm35200g01.html

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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 03:45 AM GMT+7
Awesome work so far Nigel. I am not normally into softskins but seeing your work on this is giving me the urge to try this one!
gloucesternige
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 12:00 AM GMT+7
Hi all,

At the bench this morning and seeing what I can work on while I wait for the desert paint to arrive. I cant believe there isn't a correct colour in the Tamiya range?? Anyway, I've ordered two bottles of Mig 016, which is apparently the correct RAL colour for this baby.

I started assembling the front mudguards and thought "I wonder if they steer with the wheels"? Following some research on YouTube I discovered they actually do.. so I need to sort my model out as I have made the front wheels pose-able. I have drilled out the mudguard mounts and glued in some 0.5mm brass rod.



I then drilled down through the axle pivot and into the hub with a 0.55mm drill, and opened up the axle pivot to 0.75mm. Now I can glue the brass rod on its tip but not on the axle so the wheels remain pose-able and the mudguards steer with the wheels.





I thought this would come in handy for anyone building this kit who hasn't assembled the front axle yet. It would be easier for you to fit the brass rod before assembling the axle than risk gluing everything up like I may have done?

Thanks for looking in..
gloucesternige
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 12:33 PM GMT+7
Yes mate, this is an Out of the box build.
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 10:55 AM GMT+7
Good progress. This is all PE included in the kit, is it?
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 09:09 AM GMT+7
Glad the info helped Nige.

You really are moving along on this one. Looking superb
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 02:36 AM GMT+7
Hi guys. here's some more for you..

I have temporarily fitted the engine before paint so I can get the transmission lined up. This was pretty fiddly as all the mounts are to scale with no big pins or tabs as you may find in other kits. Thoroughly enjoyable!!



Here's the rear of the chassis with the fifth wheel mechanism fitted. Note al the PE, which fits a treat!!



There are two frames slung under the trailer, I decided to solder these as the will more than likely fall apart if glued together?



Finally, there are four off jacks under the trailer. here are two pads and pumping handles along with their hanging brackets, soldered PE being the media..



Hopefully, I'll have more pics for you tomorrow. Choosing to work on this and my 1/48 U boat is tough..
gloucesternige
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 12:18 AM GMT+7

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Hi Nige

I think you will find the chassis was the same colour over and under


This website might be of interest to you too:
https://leicestermodellers.weebly.com/scammel-pioneer-6x4.html

Plus this Pathe clip on youtube which is where some of the above stills came from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYznU9553HM


found here
http://panzerserra.blogspot.com.au/2017/08/



You my friend are a complete star!! Thankyou so much for the pics and links.. what more could i need. Interestingly the instructions call for RLM76, which is very similar to what you have shown??
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2017 - 09:13 PM GMT+7
Looking good Nigel, you are quick!
Great sources there Peter. I feel the urge to buy one of these kits, too.
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2017 - 02:27 PM GMT+7
Hi Nige

I think you will find the chassis was the same colour over and under





This website might be of interest to you too:
https://leicestermodellers.weebly.com/scammel-pioneer-6x4.html

Plus this Pathe clip on youtube which is where some of the above stills came from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYznU9553HM

Engine colour?
Can't say if this is the standard colour or not...as this one may have been reconditioned in the 60's

Found here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gardner-6LW-complete-engine-from-wartime-Scammell-Pioneer-cast-iron-Turns-over/372132583200?hash=item56a4d49720:g:qnoAAOSwZQxW3rdZ

And this one


found here
http://panzerserra.blogspot.com.au/2017/08/
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2017 - 01:03 PM GMT+7
Hey guys, late post here.. couldn't help myself..



We have wood!!



Still more work to do once the oils dry, then it'll get a covering of hairspray, then camo colours and some good old scuffing.

I assume all this wood would have been painted camo colours when new? I would also like to know if the truck chassis and ancillaries would have been camo colour or black please??
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Posted: Saturday, December 02, 2017 - 06:33 AM GMT+7
Glad to hear you like it guys.. It's one of those kits every armour modeller should build. It is a real builders kit, beautifully detailed, complicated enough to keep the mojo going and definitely not shake and bake!!

I've been busy on the trailer this week, having done a little on the truck chassis and letting it set up before continuing. I am also working on a 1/48 Trumpeter U boat..

Here's where I am with the trailer, almost complete.... Note I have used a tiny drop of Mr Surfacer 500 to eradicate some sink marks. You may decide to leave them as is??



And the underside.. the rear bogies will pivot, allowing for the trailer to be posed attached or removed from the tractor unit.



On to the tyres.. each one is made of 3 parts, as the fronts they are able to be assembled with the tread patterns as i have them, or staggered so the outer blocks join the voids in the inner ring.



There is also the option to have the ramps displayed lowered or raised. the detail in the ramp area is astonishing.. every hook, shackle and turnbuckle is included in the kit, as is the rope to connect them all up!!



You even get the additional chocks and ramps if you want to make a diorama with a Tank being loaded..



Here they are in use..



And a pic of the ramps raised.



I must say, the more I build this kit the more I love it.
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 09:01 AM GMT+7

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You are welcome.
Indeed, others would not care, they do, makes their kits even more interesting.
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Thanks Stef,

I didn't notice this, and I'm building the bloody thing!! I hope the moulding on the new one is as crisp as the original!! If I cant get mine apart, it may have to make do with a retrofitted rad from a recovery truck??

As has already been said, LZ models and Thunder/Mirror are a great bunch.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 09:48 PM GMT+7
Wow, that is one really nice service policy by Thunder Models! Makes them most definitely climb the ranks in my own personal Top List of manufacturers!
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Posted: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 09:21 PM GMT+7
You are welcome.
Indeed, others would not care, they do, makes their kits even more interesting.
I
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Posted: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 03:16 PM GMT+7

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Just read on facebook that Thunder Models will send correct radiator grills. (I do not know if the tank transporter and pioneer have different shapes... Just thought I'd let you know in case...):

"Scammell Tank Transporter Radiator error.
We want to apologize for the kit error that has just been brought to our attention. We had addressed this issue a few months ago, it had been a design error that some of you informed us about seeing it in shared CAD renders that time, it was corrected for the mold, but not delivered , and we failed to recheck again later at testing stage. Now the error is already being modified for all next production and we will offer the correct replacement radiator part that you can request through our website soon. It will take about 2-3 weeks to get replacement parts produced and ready, meanwhile we will set up for you the way to order them. Once again our apologies"



Thanks for the heads up Stef. Great to see that Thunder take such pride that they are taking steps and will offer the replacement, unlike other well known manufacturers that basically say tough luck....
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Posted: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 11:47 AM GMT+7
your build is looking good ,keep the pics comeing .
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Posted: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 09:02 AM GMT+7
Your progress is looking good!

Just read on facebook that Thunder Models will send correct radiator grills. (I do not know if the tank transporter and pioneer have different shapes... Just thought I'd let you know in case...):

"Scammell Tank Transporter Radiator error.
We want to apologize for the kit error that has just been brought to our attention. We had addressed this issue a few months ago, it had been a design error that some of you informed us about seeing it in shared CAD renders that time, it was corrected for the mold, but not delivered , and we failed to recheck again later at testing stage. Now the error is already being modified for all next production and we will offer the correct replacement radiator part that you can request through our website soon. It will take about 2-3 weeks to get replacement parts produced and ready, meanwhile we will set up for you the way to order them. Once again our apologies"
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Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 05:07 AM GMT+7

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The tread pattern looks similar to the following image.



Cheers,

Chris



Thanks for that great picture Chris.. I see what you mean, but the tread pattern on the kit is practically parallel to the ground whereas the one you have shown curves up toward the centre on the outer and down in the inner side of the tyre, much like the tyres on the bigger Russian trucks of the cold war era.

I actually think the tyres in the kit were an afterthought because none of the cad models leading up to release depict these tyres, although the marketing blurb used to state "Correct tyres are depicted"

I believe accurately depicting the tyres as you have shopwn would be very difficult in injection moulding.
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Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 04:13 AM GMT+7
Thanks for all the interest guys, much appreciated.

I have now made a start on the chassis. I have arrowed the two front suspension A frame pick up points for you all to see. I have done this because it is critical that you build up your front A frame before you build the chassis so you can ensure the a frame will be pinched between these two points.



The rearmost mounting does not have a very solid location so is able to this, making for a very loose fit between the A frame and chassis. Note i have also shown the lovely diff assembly and rear leaf springs pre cleanup.

The transmission is a lovely little assembly and goes together with ease.



The UJ is not glued so the prop shaft can be orientated correctly when the time comes.



Here we can see the little three pulley arrangement which forms the rear x member. I have also shown the lovely little leaf spring and tow hook that will end up on the front end.



While the chassis and ancillaries were drying I made a start on the trailer. Assembly is a little tricky and extra care must be taken to ensure all remains square. I used blocks to hold everything flat whilst the glue dried overnight.



I really enjoy modelling when things get a little tricky like this. Tamiya like ease of assembly can get a little boring i feel and the satisfaction gained from this type of assembly far outweighs any shake and bake kit in my opinion.



Note the planking is represented by woodgrain on both top and bottom of the panels. I have rescribed the plank lines to increase their definition and make them pop when washed.

Here are the trailer rear end sub-assemblies.




Finally, we take a look at the beautifully engineered winch mechanism. This is a beautiful representation that is a joy to build. It's gonna look great with the spool full of wire rope and grease everywhere!!





Thanks for looking guys. I'm back to work tomorrow so progress will slow a little.

BTW.. does anyone know what colour the engine and transmission would have been painted?