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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Thunder Models Scammell Pioneer TRMU30/TRCU30
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Posted: Monday, April 16, 2018 - 09:59 PM GMT+7
The resin tyres do look better.
No doubt about it for me at least.
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Posted: Monday, April 16, 2018 - 09:52 PM GMT+7
I also received the much talked about Resin wheels from LZ models in my big mail package...

LZ models makes resin wheels and tyres for all the Scammell kits and for the Transporter trailer they do sand patterns as well as the normal dirt tyres.

I have gone for the "Cross Country" tyres. Remember, the rear wheels and tyres for the Tractor unit are bigger than all other tyres.



On initial inspection the tyres look cleanly moulded with minimum clean up required. They have made my front wheels in white, whether this is to identify them for me or for packaging purposes I don't know, but I guess it's done for a reason?



I was never happy with the kits tread pattern, although it has been pointed out that a similar tread pattern does exist on page one of this very thread. Here are the plastic and resin wheels together so you can decide which you think is better.. plastic is on the right.





When you bear in mind the tractor wheels and tyres only cost around 10, the trailer tyres 14 and the whole transporter kit only costs around 55 then compare equivilant Meng, Tamiya, Trumpeter, Hobbyboss etc prices you'll see this whole model is comparatively cheap, even when you add the AM. This whole kit with the updates has cost me less than 85

Even if you decide the plastic tyres are good enough, you still have the advantage of having plastic tyres. Yippee!! Not the usual horrible vinyl things in most kits these days!!

So, there we have it.. these are all the updates on this kit for now. I think I'm gonna get stuck into my Scammell double build and catch up with this one to make a triple build?
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Posted: Monday, April 16, 2018 - 06:04 AM GMT+7
Hi all,

I've been off this one for a couple of days now as I have been waiting for some little extras to arrive from LZ models.

First on the list is the upgraded basket, which replaces the kits PE basket with a slightly more advanced PE basket. If you get the Thunder Models SV/2S you get this upgraded PE in the box. This set costs just over 5.



The new basket is made up from 10 pieces of PE and includes a thicker copper fret for the front webbing and additional parts to make the basket more accurate. These extras include the front support rod, underside framework, correct front clamps and a more to scale finish on the front and rear panels.

Here's the set.. with the stock kit part behind it. You can clearly see this will add to the overall appearance of the model.. I'll build mine in the next day or two and put up some side by side pics for comparison.



The instructions...



And finally, a close up of the frets.




Again, please note this upgrade is only applicable to the Transporter and the R100.. the SV/2S comes with this upgrade already.


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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2018 - 09:10 AM GMT+7
Great to see this back on the bench Nige. That woodgrain effect is fabulous. It really wood (pun intended) be a shame to cover it up.

I have some Mig paint that I used on a Ford GPA. I bought it as lightened Tamiya OD is just terrible these days. You really do have to apply them in thin coats and allow it to dry between them to get the right result. And you need to clean the tip regularly, so it is time consuming.

It is a whole mindset shift from Tamiya application, and in the end, it all comes down to what gives you what you want. I do not see myself moving too far from Tamiya either, but nothing ventured nothing gained.



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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2018 - 11:09 PM GMT+7

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Great job!

Go for the new mickey mouse camouflage!



Thanks Christophe.. that's just what I am doing!!

So, here's the chassis after stripping in Dettol and drying out for three days. It has a black base primer once again.



The cab looks so much better in OD don't you think?





I really want to leave the wood floor exposed, but I know it's not accurate? What do you think? I even did a woodgrain effect underneath and on the backs of the crew seats. I will probably do the hairspray technique and rub away the OD where the feet would have been?

Just a little mock up pic..



I'd just like to finish by saying how much better spraying with tamiya thinned with Gunze is than the horrible Ammo Mig paint. I really cant get on with these polyeurethane acrylics that everyone raves about.
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2018 - 06:59 PM GMT+7
Great job!

Go for the new mickey mouse camouflage!
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Posted: Sunday, April 01, 2018 - 03:37 AM GMT+7

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I have decided to go for the Mickey Mouse scheme as supplied in the kit and am wondering if its feasible that the Army would have brought a desert vehicle back to europe and repainted it, ie would it be accurate if I chipped it?

...



Paint it the way you want it - you've got your story ready if the accuracy police come after you - Paint first- ask questions later

Beautiful job Nige - I've got the recovery truck on pre order .
Cheers - Richard
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Posted: Sunday, April 01, 2018 - 12:43 AM GMT+7
I've decided to resurect this fom the drawer as I just NEED to see it finished!!

I have decided to go for the Mickey Mouse scheme as supplied in the kit and am wondering if its feasible that the Army would have brought a desert vehicle back to europe and repainted it, ie would it be accurate if I chipped it?

Thanks in anticipation of a reply here...
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Posted: Monday, January 01, 2018 - 02:53 AM GMT+7
Real nice job!,
I have the LZ models resin wheel sets for both the tractor and trailer (firestone) and the tread pattern is the same on both!?, I'm confused.
Happy new year
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 03:10 AM GMT+7
So guys, I've been busy on this one, and slowly getting there...



If you don't already have this kit, get it.. it's brilliant!!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 08:29 AM GMT+7
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Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 05:23 AM GMT+7



Actually, no he didnt.. I posted pics of my modded axle on november 25th, Terry waited until December 5th. so.. I WIN!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 05:20 AM GMT+7
Been playing with some paint now guys.. still waiting for the Mig ammo desert yellow RAL8020.. I gave the chassis and odds and ends a coat of Alclad black primer filler..





I was hoping this would show up any imperfections, mould seams or gaps.. but no it all looks good initially, until I added some desert sand colour I remember I mixed up for my Matilda.

Man, those imperfections pop now!!

If you've been thinking of getting this kit, I think these next three pics might make your mind up for you? Its some of the best detail I've ever seen on a 50 kit!!



Engine is Gunze RLM 65, transmission is Tamiya XF26 deep green.



The rear end is just as busy..



Isn't it amazing what a little colour can do for a model. Just think how much better it's gonna look with washes and weathering!!
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 07:51 AM GMT+7
Hi Nige.

Terry Ashley beat you to the punch:
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/thundermodel/tm35200g01.html

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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 03:45 AM GMT+7
Awesome work so far Nigel. I am not normally into softskins but seeing your work on this is giving me the urge to try this one!
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 12:00 AM GMT+7
Hi all,

At the bench this morning and seeing what I can work on while I wait for the desert paint to arrive. I cant believe there isn't a correct colour in the Tamiya range?? Anyway, I've ordered two bottles of Mig 016, which is apparently the correct RAL colour for this baby.

I started assembling the front mudguards and thought "I wonder if they steer with the wheels"? Following some research on YouTube I discovered they actually do.. so I need to sort my model out as I have made the front wheels pose-able. I have drilled out the mudguard mounts and glued in some 0.5mm brass rod.



I then drilled down through the axle pivot and into the hub with a 0.55mm drill, and opened up the axle pivot to 0.75mm. Now I can glue the brass rod on its tip but not on the axle so the wheels remain pose-able and the mudguards steer with the wheels.





I thought this would come in handy for anyone building this kit who hasn't assembled the front axle yet. It would be easier for you to fit the brass rod before assembling the axle than risk gluing everything up like I may have done?

Thanks for looking in..
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 12:33 PM GMT+7
Yes mate, this is an Out of the box build.
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 10:55 AM GMT+7
Good progress. This is all PE included in the kit, is it?
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 09:09 AM GMT+7
Glad the info helped Nige.

You really are moving along on this one. Looking superb
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 02:36 AM GMT+7
Hi guys. here's some more for you..

I have temporarily fitted the engine before paint so I can get the transmission lined up. This was pretty fiddly as all the mounts are to scale with no big pins or tabs as you may find in other kits. Thoroughly enjoyable!!



Here's the rear of the chassis with the fifth wheel mechanism fitted. Note al the PE, which fits a treat!!



There are two frames slung under the trailer, I decided to solder these as the will more than likely fall apart if glued together?



Finally, there are four off jacks under the trailer. here are two pads and pumping handles along with their hanging brackets, soldered PE being the media..



Hopefully, I'll have more pics for you tomorrow. Choosing to work on this and my 1/48 U boat is tough..
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 12:18 AM GMT+7

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Hi Nige

I think you will find the chassis was the same colour over and under


This website might be of interest to you too:
https://leicestermodellers.weebly.com/scammel-pioneer-6x4.html

Plus this Pathe clip on youtube which is where some of the above stills came from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYznU9553HM


found here
http://panzerserra.blogspot.com.au/2017/08/



You my friend are a complete star!! Thankyou so much for the pics and links.. what more could i need. Interestingly the instructions call for RLM76, which is very similar to what you have shown??
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2017 - 09:13 PM GMT+7
Looking good Nigel, you are quick!
Great sources there Peter. I feel the urge to buy one of these kits, too.
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2017 - 02:27 PM GMT+7
Hi Nige

I think you will find the chassis was the same colour over and under





This website might be of interest to you too:
https://leicestermodellers.weebly.com/scammel-pioneer-6x4.html

Plus this Pathe clip on youtube which is where some of the above stills came from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYznU9553HM

Engine colour?
Can't say if this is the standard colour or not...as this one may have been reconditioned in the 60's

Found here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gardner-6LW-complete-engine-from-wartime-Scammell-Pioneer-cast-iron-Turns-over/372132583200?hash=item56a4d49720:g:qnoAAOSwZQxW3rdZ

And this one


found here
http://panzerserra.blogspot.com.au/2017/08/
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2017 - 01:03 PM GMT+7
Hey guys, late post here.. couldn't help myself..



We have wood!!



Still more work to do once the oils dry, then it'll get a covering of hairspray, then camo colours and some good old scuffing.

I assume all this wood would have been painted camo colours when new? I would also like to know if the truck chassis and ancillaries would have been camo colour or black please??
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Posted: Saturday, December 02, 2017 - 06:33 AM GMT+7
Glad to hear you like it guys.. It's one of those kits every armour modeller should build. It is a real builders kit, beautifully detailed, complicated enough to keep the mojo going and definitely not shake and bake!!

I've been busy on the trailer this week, having done a little on the truck chassis and letting it set up before continuing. I am also working on a 1/48 Trumpeter U boat..

Here's where I am with the trailer, almost complete.... Note I have used a tiny drop of Mr Surfacer 500 to eradicate some sink marks. You may decide to leave them as is??



And the underside.. the rear bogies will pivot, allowing for the trailer to be posed attached or removed from the tractor unit.



On to the tyres.. each one is made of 3 parts, as the fronts they are able to be assembled with the tread patterns as i have them, or staggered so the outer blocks join the voids in the inner ring.



There is also the option to have the ramps displayed lowered or raised. the detail in the ramp area is astonishing.. every hook, shackle and turnbuckle is included in the kit, as is the rope to connect them all up!!



You even get the additional chocks and ramps if you want to make a diorama with a Tank being loaded..



Here they are in use..



And a pic of the ramps raised.



I must say, the more I build this kit the more I love it.