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Italeri vs. Trumpeter 20' Shipping Containers
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 09:32 AM GMT+7

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This specific type of shelter happens to be based on ISO container specifications


Meets specifications:
"ISO 1496/1, ANSI MH5.1,5.1.1,5.4 (MIL-M-81957[AS],
MIL-S-29410[MC], ASTME-1976)"



In fact, some of the dimensions and tolerances listed on that drawing do NOT meet the ISO limits . . . The seem to have a mixed inch-metric system wherein they use hard conversions in some places and soft conversions in others, and this has led to some errors. They are small, but non-compliant, and are exactly the type of deviations that would cause me to reject the design if it came across my desk at work.

The difference with shelters I was referring to relates to the fork-lift pockets. Because shelters use different materials they have slightly different structures, and the pocket construction is different. The arrangement of structural members can cause the pockets to be in slightly different places, too.

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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 08:09 AM GMT+7

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Shelters are different than containers.

KL



True, in general terms ...
This specific type of shelter happens to be based on ISO container specifications
http://www.ramims.com/index.aspx?id=4168
Using the same measurements ensures compatibility with existing handling systems. Could be an important point when trying to convince customers to buy them
Their sales pitch:
"Ramim's ISO20 basic Shelter is 8 feet High x 8 feet Wide x 20 feet Long. Our ISO shelter range is also available in 10ft, 20ft, 30ft or 40ft Lengths."

Meets specifications:
"ISO 1496/1, ANSI MH5.1,5.1.1,5.4 (MIL-M-81957[AS],
MIL-S-29410[MC], ASTME-1976)"

"Standard features: Forklift pockets"

They also manufacture other types of shelters ...

/ Robin

It would of course be possible to tweak the measurements to make them an inch or two longer and wider just to make sure that nothing fits anywhere
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 06:48 AM GMT+7
My corner block printed "castings" showed up today from MS Productions - Shapeways. So far they look excellent!
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 05:57 AM GMT+7
My guess is that they are centered, as Robin said.



Shelters are different than containers.

KL
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 04:17 AM GMT+7
SOON TO BE NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT:

Just in the odd chance that a few out there have missed this. Mike Goldberg has been working on digitally reproducing both the corner blocks for scratch building your own containers

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . AND . . . . . . (drum roll please!)

an actual scale CHU digital model for we nuts out there interested in the supply side of modern combat.

TA-DAH! - Get ready to place your Shapeways orders!



(All images above are the property of Mike Goldberg - MS Productions)


Link to Mike G's page on the design and creation of his CHU:

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=245315&page=42#2233003
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 03:53 AM GMT+7


Given the centerline of the container (shown in red) we should be able to proportion out everything we need to know regarding the forklift pockets.

Thanks Robin for the GREAT info!
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 03:38 AM GMT+7

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If you want to broaden your choice, you can even found some 1:35 plastic container-shaped pen holders online (Dimensions : 17.31 x 6.97 x 7.40cm ) :


Just fill up some unnecessary holes...



They're even cheaper if you order 500 of them

H.P.



got a url to order them?



The url is pasted all over the photo, if one examines it closely with the Mk I iBall.
http://www.chamfoo.com/
http://www.chamfoo.com/plus/list.php?tid=5 the page with english lingo.
They have a few standard logos (the big ones I presume)
They have also got usb-powerbanks shaped like 40 ft containers

Another contact path:
http://www.tradekey.com/product-free/1-35-Hyumdai-Pen-Container-namecard-Holder-8727706.html
They have a few standard logos (the big ones I presume).
also leads to Chamfoo after a while, unsure about the cost,
at minimum order (100 pieces) the cost would be 6 per piece but couldn't see of that was 6 US$, Pounds, Euro, Yen or Yuan but I am certain that it wasn't Swedish Kronor (SEK).

/ Robin



Thanks for info... I found the URL when looking it up for DrabSlab...

Wander if they would make up a box of 500 with different named containers... & who would want in for a share?
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 03:04 AM GMT+7
Could this give any clues:
http://www.ramims.com/uploadimages/digrams/iso20.jpg ?
Maybe it would be safe to assume that they are centered around half the length of the container ...
/ Robin

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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 02:40 AM GMT+7

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Kurt, thank you for all the GREAT information.

Question: Any chance you have come across specs for the size and placement of the four forklift pockets on a mil spec container?



I found the size and spacing but not the location.

KL
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Posted: Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 12:28 AM GMT+7

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If you want to broaden your choice, you can even found some 1:35 plastic container-shaped pen holders online (Dimensions : 17.31 x 6.97 x 7.40cm ) :


Just fill up some unnecessary holes...



They're even cheaper if you order 500 of them

H.P.



got a url to order them?



The url is pasted all over the photo, if one examines it closely with the Mk I iBall.
http://www.chamfoo.com/
http://www.chamfoo.com/plus/list.php?tid=5 the page with english lingo.
They have a few standard logos (the big ones I presume)
They have also got usb-powerbanks shaped like 40 ft containers

Another contact path:
http://www.tradekey.com/product-free/1-35-Hyumdai-Pen-Container-namecard-Holder-8727706.html
They have a few standard logos (the big ones I presume).
also leads to Chamfoo after a while, unsure about the cost,
at minimum order (100 pieces) the cost would be 6 per piece but couldn't see of that was 6 US$, Pounds, Euro, Yen or Yuan but I am certain that it wasn't Swedish Kronor (SEK).

/ Robin
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Posted: Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 12:22 AM GMT+7

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If you want to broaden your choice, you can even found some 1:35 plastic container-shaped pen holders online (Dimensions : 17.31 x 6.97 x 7.40cm ) :

H.P.



Hey,

This looks really interesting but does somethign like this also exist in 1/48. I am searching for a forklift, some containers, and pallets in 1/48 for a diorama on disaster relief with some large helicopters.



Chamfoo Have 1:50th Trucks, containers & forklifts Chamfoo Trucks
Minimum order of 500 of each though....
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Posted: Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 12:04 AM GMT+7

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If you want to broaden your choice, you can even found some 1:35 plastic container-shaped pen holders online (Dimensions : 17.31 x 6.97 x 7.40cm ) :

H.P.



Hey,

This looks really interesting but does somethign like this also exist in 1/48. I am searching for a forklift, some containers, and pallets in 1/48 for a diorama on disaster relief with some large helicopters.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 11:03 PM GMT+7

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If you want to broaden your choice, you can even found some 1:35 plastic container-shaped pen holders online (Dimensions : 17.31 x 6.97 x 7.40cm ) :


Just fill up some unnecessary holes...



They're even cheaper if you order 500 of them

H.P.



got a url to order them?
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 10:02 PM GMT+7
no fork lift pockets ....


useful for dioramas with containers used to build walls
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 09:01 PM GMT+7
If you want to broaden your choice, you can even found some 1:35 plastic container-shaped pen holders online (Dimensions : 17.31 x 6.97 x 7.40cm ) :


Just fill up some unnecessary holes...



They're even cheaper if you order 500 of them

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 03:01 AM GMT+7
Beauty shot here:

PLS with 20' civilian container using the CHU to grab the load.


Note: Container load lock laying on the ground waiting to be applied.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 03:00 AM GMT+7
Sweet! - Gotta Have, gotta have, gotta have!

THANK YOU Frenchy!
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 02:26 AM GMT+7
If one can't make a choice between Italeri and Trumpeter offerings, both Accurate Armour and Miniman Factory have released 20-foot containers :

Miniman Factory :



Accurate Armour :



AA have also released a ISO 10-foot Container

And I guess most of these could benefit from Hauler PE set HLU35072 :



H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 01:32 AM GMT+7

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Hi,

Just a small info for the debate - the forklift pockets are not exclusive of US military contauners thera area also civilian containers with them


Of course, no one said they are exclusive to military containers. It is just that civilian containers can have them or not (usually not), while US military ones are supposed to always have them.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 08:48 PM GMT+7
Hi,

Just a small info for the debate - the forklift pockets are not exclusive of US military contauners thera area also civilian containers with them
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 05:57 PM GMT+7
This photo nicely illustrates possible different heights of ISO containers:

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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 05:43 PM GMT+7

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None of the specifications require any specific corrugation pattern for the sides or doors. (The top has to be corrugated, though, not flat.)


Kurt, I only base my comments on checking photos of large numbers of containers and the point is that those used by the US military (al least most of them, as they show on most photos I found) differ in style of corrugations on doors from what is included in Italeri and Trumpeter kits. Maybe indeed it is not a matter of military specification, but just a feature that particilar contractor was using on their "civilian" containers, but the fact remains that those kits do not represent the most common container type as used by US military.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 03:10 PM GMT+7
Kurt, thank you for all the GREAT information.

Question: Any chance you have come across specs for the size and placement of the four forklift pockets on a mil spec container?
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 02:07 PM GMT+7

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The US military buys standard ISO containers.



Just found . . . From A-A-59272:

"1. SCOPE. This commercial item description (CID) covers 20 foot (ft) x 8 ft x 8 ft (6.1 meters (m)) x 2.44 m x 2.44 m), reusable, International Organization of Standardization (ISO) 668 1C, end and side opening, cargo containers for the transportation, distribution, and storage of military supplies."

"3.2.1 Standard product. Except as otherwise specified herein (see 7.1), the container shall be the standard product of the contractor. The container shall be new and unused. New and unused containers shall be sealed at the factory and shipped without cargo to the final destination."

7.1 merely states how to order a container that *isn't* standard. It does not define any differences from a standard container.

Any visible differences between some arbitrary DOD container and a non-DOD container (besides the fork lift pockets) are the result of different fabrication methods by different suppliers.

KL
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 01:51 PM GMT+7
This is awesome info! Thanks guys