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Loading SSys Schwerlastwagens
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 02:39 AM UTC
Track changing in front of the train station (Marasesti, Romania, June 1944 ). You can notice the adjustable wood beam on the platform railcar deck in the foreground of the top picture :





H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 02:51 AM UTC
Yes, side loading from a station freight platform of equal height positioned right next to the flatcar is probably the system most often employed. Most stations of the day had such a platform.

I know nothing as to the massive "portable" ramp that could allow the tanks to climb up from the end of the flatcar. A portion of such a ramp is shown in the photo I posted on the loading of the second damaged Tiger 1.

Also a model of such a ramp is currently available.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 02:59 AM UTC
I planned to upload the same pictures, all been shown by now. The question is Chicken or Egg, what came first: track or tank?
Was very busy editing my post, did not see response so far

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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 02:59 AM UTC
That still does not answer the question of how they would handle a 6300 pound wiggly snake of a combat track once they had gotten it removed from the tank???
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 03:06 AM UTC

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I know nothing as to the massive "portable" ramp that could allow the tanks to climb up from the end of the flatcar. A portion of such a ramp is shown in the photo I posted on the loading of the second damaged Tiger 1.



Here's a similar (maybe lighter ?) one :


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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 03:08 AM UTC
What you suggested Michael. Getting it folded for a reasonable length and drag behind the Tiger. Using a crane and winch at the front, seen on earlier post with damaged Tiger to get it underneath. On a SSyms there is some space to manouvre behind the Tiger to get this done .

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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 09:16 PM UTC
Interesting question posed by Gregory Copplin regarding the folding "fence" at one end of the car.

Here is the link:

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=275519&page=1#2321181
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 09:30 PM UTC
Link to the factory web page illustrating Sabre Models' new heavy German six-axle flatcar:

http://www.sabremodel.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=20&product_id=52


And their new G10 German Goods Wagon:

http://www.sabremodel.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=20&product_id=30
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Posted: Thursday, March 14, 2019 - 03:53 AM UTC
Hi Michael & other people interested in this topic.
My crude plan, Michael asked me for it in another topic, for loading the Schwerlastwagen and other railroad platforms, is to make use of a system that already exist in Railroad modeling. Fine scale train modelers have an almost ISO approach for module building, its called FREMO.
You can download such plans for e.g. H0 scale and use that to scale it up to 1/35. It gives exact measurements for display and is perfect to connect new sections, building a diorama. Positive aspect I guess.
Plan is to build a platform where material is lined up, waiting to mount the train. For the layout I want to use photos from the old train stations, which you can find easily on the web.
The track on such a module / section is always the centerline or connection (FREMO).
I have to search for some practical information to make it work for me when it comes to scale metal tracks and wooden sleepers, I've seen already (and not too expensive) just to get it right in length and expression of the materials. Those plastics from whatever manufacturer just are not ok! So I will build my own in 1/35 scale.

Now why did the SSys got on hold?
Reason the build is somewhat of my interest right now, is simply my focus on details, that after a while, will disappear because its useless to add, so I need something to get me starting again, a fresh idea, finish other stuff and jump back to this one when done. So I build the loads, like the Büssing, KDO, etc.

Will post more info on the SSys very soon.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2019 - 06:00 PM UTC
Hello all.
Second Ssys Schwerlastwagen under construction. No pictures yet. But in the meantime two other platforms have taken shape.

Ommr from Sabre
Nice build, but there are details missing like piping work for the brake system. Comparing to references, layout of brake system has some issues, will explain later. Started with pump and air tank, piping connections for that and wheel assembly. Will paint the completed bed first and add further details later.


G10 from Thunder Models
Also a very nice build. Complete brake system which is accurate. Shown is the bed of the wagon from the underside. Will build this to complete, paint the wood and later add the brake system. I was tempted to buy the Sabre offering, with all the PE bling bling, etc. Research learned this was the best kit on the market, also goes for their G15! Hope they release a G10 with "Bremserhaus".



For both wagons wheels are a bit of a pain. Will explain that later on.
My second Ssys Schwerlastwagen has the bogies completed and the bed is halfway. Have to add the pumps and tanks and paint that.

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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2019 - 10:45 PM UTC
Hi.
About the wheels for the wagons Ommr & G10.
For the Ommr you get the same set as goes with the Ssys from Sabre. However on the same rail bedding they don't fit, which is strange. So a miscalculation from their side in tooling could be debit on that.
For the G10 the story is almost the same. does not perfectly fit the Sabre rail bedding. Recently I ordered some sets of European Rail from MiniArt. Detail I have seen is very good, especially the mounting plates are very convincing.
Sabre has almost no detail, no bolts and design is fantasy.
From my Ssyms kits also some rail bedding was included. T-Model did a great job and it looks it will compare to the MiniArt offering. Mounting plates and bolts are spot on.
I planned to do the tracks in Messing with real wooden sleepers. I must confess I stepped back from that, pricing and work involved is just to much.
Waiting for the MiniArt and decision has to be made which track is leading.
Rest of the tracks I will use to build 2 or 3 switches. I'v studied detail drawings from various sites, how they build up a switch, etc. Not an easy build to do, I know. See how that works out, lots of pictures available, so that gives some perpective.

Work on the second Ssys, with all pictures from previous build will be much faster I hope.

Comparing the size of the flatbeds.



G10 from Thunder Models comes with the advantage of double sprue, gives a lot of parts to use for scratch building.
From the sets LZ brought to the AM, Thunder Models and Sabre took their measurements I guess and they look pretty good (pumps and tanks). Coupling parts however still have the Trumpeter chunky looks, too bad.
For super detailing I ran into a great site with a load of drawings for sale. Very useful.
https://shop.strato.de/epages/17786094.sf/secda2410b775/? Its all in German (so should be no problem)
My basket is already loaded (have to clean that up and order the useful items for now).

Thats it for now.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 12:24 AM UTC
So good to see progress, fantastic work! I guess this is probably modelling heresy, but I might have taken the precaution of cutting each axle in the middle during assembly & inserting an inner section of tube, so I could vary the distance between the wheels by a mm. or so, to allow for an imperfect track gauge. But that’s why I’m just a lurker here and you’re sweating buckets getting everything exactly correct & looking superb - a masterpiece in the making
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 02:19 AM UTC
Thanks for the nice words, appreciated.
About the tracks, that was a headache in advance, because all manufactures say it applies...? So consensus has to be made.
Waiting for detailed plans, I even might consider doing corrections on the bolts and nuts when seen above platform level.
I want to establish models within "Verbandsbauart" which was directed by the DRG, Deutsche Reichsbahn Geselsschaft as from the late '20. A lot is ex K.P.E.V. getting into groups (Gattung) for at that time the most modern railway organization. Drawings are full detail on every aspect.
From the kits I bought so far, I can workout what is doable with some great modeling sites as reference.
Takes time, as I will certainly switch to other project once in a while. For focus and and joyful modeling experience.

Auf wiedersehen und Grüße,

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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 02:48 AM UTC
Hear hear, a regular viewer would say. what about the Ssys & Ssyms, they are supposed toke Kriegsbauart. Well... those where Sonderwagen, special builds. Rest were based on what was available, redirected into the groups I was referring in above post. Look at the Rungenwagen, (R10). Original drawing comes from 1912. This 15 tons platform had a lifetime into the next century, as they transformed from wooden base to complete metal, re-grouped, just as the Ssy, Ssys and Syms did, like the 'O' wagons for cokes. Options.. Oil transport (Kesselwagen) are endless.

I love this.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 04:58 AM UTC
This is incredible work. I know very little about trains in general but as a German armor fan, I’m just about able to identify different Reichsbahn equipment. All of your scratchbuilt linkages and cable/control arm work underneath is absolutely singing. It’s so impressive to look at. I’m learning a lot from your posts. Thank you very much for sharing!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 05:29 PM UTC
Thanks for the nice words, appreciated.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 05:57 PM UTC
Robert Jan,

Amazing work! I look forward to your next post.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 08:39 PM UTC
If you want some information about German Locomotives and wagons from 1900 to 1950/60, with drawing and measures, You have to look at these two german sides, you will enjoy it :
http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/
the first page (Deckblatt) give you the name and the year of first construction, the other one give you the drawings....
and :
http://web.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/EpocheII/e2x_f.html
Open all the links, you will find the answer you look after...
and don't forget to use you "google translator", it's written in German...
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 - 09:32 PM UTC
Thanks for the 2 links. Familiar with both Frokler & Epoche II.

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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 - 02:00 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks for the 2 links. Familiar with both Frokler & Epoche II.

To be honest I forgot about his archive. Drawings are basic but provide essential measurements on length, width and height of the wagon.
The drawings I want to order go deeper into detail. Divided in build groups for every aspect of the wagons. Not even expensive, as one pays between 4 and 12 Euro for a scale drawing. Can be 1/40 - 1/25 - 1/10. And they look like pieces of Art.
So thanks again Nathan.

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Robert Jan


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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 01:13 AM UTC
Thanks Pascal for those two great links!

Much appreciated.

Mike
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 01:49 AM UTC
And where I mentioned Nathan, Pascal was actually the person to give the credits

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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2019 - 09:19 AM UTC
As I had already understood, Robert !!!!!
There is no problem at all, I really appreciate you like the links and that you speak about these little mistake
And Thank you too a lot Michael !!!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 04:11 AM UTC
Going steady on the second build of a SSys I am rather confused on stability on this forum. somewhat scary to see this go off and on-line every 2 weeks. Makes we wonder how management is performing, because my MacBook is already very concerned I even access the site tonight.
Progress though... Where it is a known section of building, still some surprises come up as I entered new available information from very nice sites on building a correct brake system. More to come later on this.






As mentioned before, a piece of cake from earlier building experience.

New will be the setting, where is this going to rail landscape, a city, somewhere down the line? I have been thinking a long time to get myself some starting points. what I really like is a bird view over a situation / scene. It also must have a clear sight on what is going on. Not too much, just enough to stay focussed.
Knowledge of tracks is, when building them, the company will obtain, when possible a close to flat layout. Which in general terms means to avoid climbing.
Better to blow away the rocks if you know what I mean. Germany has a landscape like this. North South is good example for what I try to explain.
It creates nice 'valley like scenes' which will give the bird view I really want.
This can be in the great wide open, but also in cities. Looking from a bridge as a spectator over the layout, like in Wuppertal or Berlin.
This will affect the position of buildings, tracks and rail switches, all is cleverly laid out.
Found some great buildings for this idea of mine, for along the tracks and a city scene. Only two buildings to create some interest.

Teasers... Not my build, but comes from a great German Website http://www.spur1-igartig.de/bahngebäude/lokschuppen/8-lokschuppen-monheim.html

Option for city and along the track in Germany.

Option for along the track in Germany or somewhere else in Europe like Ukraine, where this building was restored during the war already

Think the Reichsbahn knew what to do. Except for the stairs it is almost a copy.

This one is really outstanding, will have to change some details, and it will fit

Connections really suck over the last weeks. Two from my uploaded photos show up, no good so far.
More to come soon, I hope

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 07:11 AM UTC
Hi Robert. The latest pics are not showing up for me. Great work seen in the others though. I'm loving this thread.