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Panda M1 Abrams- sprues
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Posted: Sunday, January 14, 2018 - 10:51 PM UTC
That was spring 1982. These were brand new tanks out of the factory, the first batch sent to Germany. The anti-slip coating was real fine, I don't think you could see it in 1/35 scale, you could barely see it in real life.
It did not work worth a crap either, when it rained the tanks got very slippery. This was at Vilseck during M1 transition training. The instructors were always on us about maintaining "3 point contact" on the vehicles so we wouldn't fall off.
Ken.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 05:38 PM UTC

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IIRC; and I do, I checked my photos, original M1s had an anti-slip coating. It was very thin, just sand mixed in the paint. Hard to notice, and pretty useless.
Ken.



Did that have enough texture to be visible in 1/35?


It would look like a grainy cast surface.

When the M1 went through their life extensions at Anniston they got the sand anti-slip. It was like that on the M60A3. Better than nothing but not much and definitely not the coarse sandpaper of later coatings.

Wee-- THUD! Hey top another newbie broke his wrist/ankle!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 05:22 PM UTC

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IIRC; and I do, I checked my photos, original M1s had an anti-slip coating. It was very thin, just sand mixed in the paint. Hard to notice, and pretty useless.
Ken.



They did not come from the factory that way. Many crews added sand to paint and applied it in areas that they walked on; hull in front of driver's hatch, top of turret, etc...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 01:39 PM UTC

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IIRC; and I do, I checked my photos, original M1s had an anti-slip coating. It was very thin, just sand mixed in the paint. Hard to notice, and pretty useless.
Ken.



Did that have enough texture to be visible in 1/35?
tankerken6011
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 10:00 AM UTC
IIRC; and I do, I checked my photos, original M1s had an anti-slip coating. It was very thin, just sand mixed in the paint. Hard to notice, and pretty useless.
Ken.
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 08:39 AM UTC

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Since the end section is effectively hidden inside the mantle, the gun barrel length is an easy fix with a plastic shim.


No, because the barrel is too short between the bore evacuator and muzzle, not between mantlet and evacuator...



The muzzle is a separate piece; put the shim just behind that. A tiny bit of filling and sanding and you should be good.
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 03:21 AM UTC
thx. guess I'll have to wait and see if voyager, or whoever else, puts out a proper version
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Posted: Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 07:26 PM UTC

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will this be suitable for an early M1? it's intened for Leopard1s, but this hasn't got the thermal shroud


M1 does have a thermal shroud on M68A1 barrel, it is just very different from the one used on Leopard L7 guns. The front part of the shroud is identical as on late type guns on M60A3 tanks, but the rear part of the shroud is different. Plus of course M1 has MRS on the muzzle end, while M60A3 does not.
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Posted: Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 06:24 PM UTC

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will this be suitable for an early M1? it's intened for Leopard1s, but this hasn't got the thermal shroud



No thermal shroud and a different bore evacuator. It's an L7 not the US M68.

But it does give a new AM gun barrel for tanks with the L7 like Centurion and Magach.

Um Legend, Def-- an update set for the Panda M1 please?
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Posted: Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 05:41 PM UTC
will this be suitable for an early M1? it's intened for Leopard1s, but this hasn't got the thermal shroud

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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 - 12:45 AM UTC

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what parts of the DEF 106 aren't used, other than the mantlet bellows



Only the bore evacuator and the part of the barrel forward of it is useable (and you need to add MRS). Parts behind the bore evacuator are not correct for Abrams - not just the mantlet bellows, but also that barrel segment itself is different (or actually the thermal cover to be exact).


so with a little surgery it could work, assuming all aft of the kit part evacuator is suitable, or just wait for one
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 11:23 PM UTC

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what parts of the DEF 106 aren't used, other than the mantlet bellows



Only the bore evacuator and the part of the barrel forward of it is useable (and you need to add MRS). Parts behind the bore evacuator are not correct for Abrams - not just the mantlet bellows, but also that barrel segment itself is different (or actually the thermal cover to be exact).
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 10:25 PM UTC

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if it is, it's about 2mm longer than tamiyas, but it DOES have a proper MRS . besides, ain't that what AM is for?


Yes, it is longer than VERY short Tamiya barrel, but still a few mms too short.

The problem with AM is that there is no AM barrel for M1. You can use parts from DEF "late" barrel for M60A3, but not the whole barrel...

Besides, you mentioned tracks to be a problem - ain't that what AM is for?



I imagine someone'll eventually release a proper 105. the tracks I used I took off tams M1 and are trumpeter T156, AFter I had already gotten another set off evilfleabay. got another one I'm waiting on, where I'll put your tires to good use. the kit tracks are, on the inner surface, T158

what parts of the DEF 105 aren't used, other than the mantlet bellows
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 06:15 PM UTC

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Since the end section is effectively hidden inside the mantle, the gun barrel length is an easy fix with a plastic shim.


No, because the barrel is too short between the bore evacuator and muzzle, not between mantlet and evacuator...


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And AFV club tracks are a joy to work


They sure are, but AFV Club don't make T156 tracks... The only AM T156 tracks on the market are Trumpeter (previously Armor Track Models) ones, but they are very hard to find these days.
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 05:24 PM UTC
Since the end section is effectively hidden inside the mantle, the gun barrel length is an easy fix with a plastic shim.
And AFV club tracks are a joy to work with so no problem. Now does anyone have a spare bustle rack they don't need so I can build a tank I saw in Fort Drum?

And anyone have any idea how to scratchbuilt a 24" Tick action figure in 1/35?
Vodnik
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 03:56 PM UTC

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if it is, it's about 2mm longer than tamiyas, but it DOES have a proper MRS . besides, ain't that what AM is for?


Yes, it is longer than VERY short Tamiya barrel, but still a few mms too short.

The problem with AM is that there is no AM barrel for M1. You can use parts from DEF "late" barrel for M60A3, but not the whole barrel...

Besides, you mentioned tracks to be a problem - ain't that what AM is for?
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 01:46 PM UTC

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the only real issue are the tracks


And too short gun barrel.



if it is, it's about 2mm longer than tamiyas, but it DOES have a proper MRS . besides, ain't that what AM is for?
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 11:18 AM UTC

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the only real issue are the tracks


And too short gun barrel.
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 03:03 AM UTC
having built this one, seems to me to be a cross between tamiya and dragon. it has tams familiar fit of pretty much all the parts with dragons added detail, separate vision blocks, multi-part MG cradles, choice of last side armor panel cutout with corresponding rear mudflap and exhaust/air intake grills. it's also very close in dimensions with tams iteration. the only real issue are the tracks
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 05:34 PM UTC

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You forgot the ESCI one



The parts breakdown and engineering of Panda's kit gives off strong ESCI/Italeri vibes as well.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 01:44 PM UTC

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You forgot the ESCI one


I didn't - I decided it's not worth to mention...



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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 01:31 PM UTC

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You forgot the ESCI one


I didn't - I decided it's not worth to mention...
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 07:22 AM UTC

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The fact that it's 2017 and manufacturers are still giving us 2 part gun barrels is confusing to me.


Considering that it looks like Panda used slide molds for the 50 caliber and the grenade launchers it is strange.

But the jacketed 105 in an M60A3 or M1 slick is probably easier engineered as two halves as opposed to three tubes. Though I would do the bore evacuator as halves to get in the thread and drain hole detail. They never get that right and especially not turned metal unless there's a ton of photoetch and other inserts. I was looking at my Dash-10 about main gun maintenance and refuelling.

My first gunnery on M1, I was put on bore evacuator detail for the main gun clean up. Loved that spin and drain, so much better than pull off and scrub.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 06:59 AM UTC
The fact that it's 2017 and manufacturers are still giving us 2 part gun barrels is confusing to me.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 01:50 AM UTC

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You guys need to move waaaaaaaay beyond Tamiya. There have been some excellent Abrams released even after the DML


We are all referring to 105mm gun M1 Abrams, not just any Abrams... And before this Panda release there was no other 105mm gun M1 since the old Tamiya kit.



You forgot the ESCI one