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Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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Posted: Thursday, January 03, 2019 - 06:04 AM UTC

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Do you have any photos of Magach 6C Gimel that provide a good glimpse of the gunner's sight?



Unfortunately I don't. The Gimel is one of the more esoteric Magach variants.


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Best of wishes for a happy new year, thank you for the photos



Thanks Nikos, Happy New Year to you too!

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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2019 - 12:18 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 12:16 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 04:38 AM UTC
Great pics (as always) RR!

So is the Trophy system now pretty much a standard fit on these tanks? Also, what's the purpose of those two empty brackets in front of the smoke grenade launchers?

Thanks again for taking the time to post all these pictures!

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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 04:59 AM UTC

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Great pics (as always) RR! Thanks again for taking the time to post all these pictures!



Thanks John, much appreciated!


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So is the Trophy system now pretty much a standard fit on these tanks?



AFAIK all new Mk.4s rolling off the production line are Trophy equipped, i.e. Mk.4Ms; earlier Mk.4s are slowly upgraded to 4M.


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Also, what's the purpose of those two empty brackets in front of the smoke grenade launchers?



Mounting brackets for sensor-arrays. I see them on non-Trophy equipped Mk.4s too so they're most likely not Trophy-related.

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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 05:13 AM UTC
Thanks for the quick response! Fairly certain those sensors are laser warning devices. US Army has them fitted to their helos.

Given how many videos are on the net of armor being destroyed by laser guided Kornet ATGM's (amongst other systems), I still can't understand why the US hasn't fitted their tanks and IFV's with something similar. Typical of the US military unfortunately.
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 05:18 AM UTC

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Thanks for the quick response! Fairly certain those sensors are laser warning devices.



That would be my guess too.


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Given how many videos are on the net of armor being destroyed by laser guided Kornet ATGM's (amongst other systems), I still can't understand why the US hasn't fitted their tanks and IFV's with something similar. Typical of the US military unfortunately.



At least some of the M1A2s are being fitted with Trophy...
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 06:38 AM UTC
On a semi-related note - anyone know if the Meng kit comes with those laser detectors? If not, you'd have to scratch-build them to replicate a "full-up" combat vehicle.
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 06:41 AM UTC
Last stupid question and I promise I'll quit - note those lighter colored panels on the turret front (under what appears to be brackets of some sort. Are they painted a different color or is it just because there is no non-stick coating present?

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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 07:00 AM UTC

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Last stupid question and I promise I'll quit - note those lighter colored panels on the turret front (under what appears to be brackets of some sort. Are they painted a different color or is it just because there is no non-stick coating present?



Check out #1650 for a close-up on that area: there's no anti-slip under the handles hence the brighter color.



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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 09:56 PM UTC

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anyone know if the Meng kit comes with those laser detectors?



According to this photo, yes, although they seem to be absent from most of the built-up examples I've seen. Maybe you can build with or without...?

https://www.facebook.com/195290177250981/photos/a.1583116171801701/1583116328468352/?type=3&theater

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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2019 - 10:54 PM UTC
A very realistic looking 1/35 Meng Merkava 4M built by Adam O'Brian with battering ram and fuel drum mount by Desert Eagle Publishing and Fruil tracks: https://www.scalemodellingnow.com/subscribers-armour-gallery-m
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Posted: Monday, January 07, 2019 - 08:10 AM UTC
Maybe this is the thread to find an answer. There seems to be some disagreement as to whether the IDF made more than a couple of test/concept heavy APCs using M-48 chassis before committing to just using Centurions. Some sources imply there were more than just one or two, but a couple say only prototypes were made.
With the revelation of the Pereh system this might be part of the answer as to where all of the M-48 hulls went, but I do recall seeing a black & white photo of a M-48 based "Nagmah" vehicle not too long ago.
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Posted: Monday, January 07, 2019 - 09:26 AM UTC
Perhaps you mean this?

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Posted: Monday, January 07, 2019 - 09:31 AM UTC

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There seems to be some disagreement as to whether the IDF made more than a couple of test/concept heavy APCs using M-48 chassis before committing to just using Centurions. Some sources imply there were more than just one or two, but a couple say only prototypes were made.



Some sources say the Magach based HAPC even saw service in Lebanon in the mid '90s, however, the truth is, it never served in the IDF.


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With the revelation of the Pereh system this might be part of the answer as to where all of the M-48 hulls went



Not for this project, that's for sure, as it was cancelled due to lack of sufficient funds (I don't know how many were actually built, but AFAIK a single prototype only).


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I do recall seeing a black & white photo of a M-48 based "Nagmah" vehicle not too long ago.



The Magachon:

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Posted: Monday, January 07, 2019 - 09:32 AM UTC
You beat me to it!
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Posted: Friday, January 11, 2019 - 04:52 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 - 09:47 PM UTC
In regard of the conversation here ( http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=273958#2308720 ), I've just found this article describing the rather fatal outcome of a shell 'cooking-off' inside the tank: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/IDF-One-soldier-killed-3-injured-in-tank-accident-549781
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Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 - 10:16 PM UTC
Another (rather odd) incident from last week involving a Mk4: https://www.timesofisrael.com/tank-said-to-have-rolled-across-highway-as-crew-dozed-inside/
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Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 - 10:41 PM UTC
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Posted: Friday, January 18, 2019 - 02:18 AM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 12:31 AM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 05:23 AM UTC
Israel, thanks so much for posting all of these photos! Im currently building Tamiyas M51 and your photos are helping me with the build, paint color, weathering and stowage items! Keep them coming. My best, Bill
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 05:34 AM UTC
Im glad you find them helpful, Bill!
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Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2019 - 03:42 AM UTC
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