login   |    register

Scale Modeling Sponsors

See Your Ad Here!

Dioramas: Small Scale
Dioramas of subjects smallers than 1/32 scale.
Hosted by Darren Baker
T34 Night in the Ruts
kurnuy
Visit this Community
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
Joined: August 22, 2009
KitMaker: 1,490 posts
Armorama: 996 posts
Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 06:22 AM GMT+7
Hi Nick ,

i have to echo the others , it looks very dynamic to me well done .

Kurt
Stickframe
#362
Visit this Community
California, United States
Joined: December 01, 2013
KitMaker: 1,191 posts
Armorama: 1,113 posts
Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 08:01 PM GMT+7
Hey guys - thanks for taking the time to drop by and leave some words - I really appreciate it! In the mean time, work and life are giving me a run for my money...maybe inspiration for the next build?....maybe the reason for still building more and more...who knows....

I'm glad I seem to have been able to "save" this one - between lack of time and knowledge of the subject, I was getting a bit worried -

Hi Mike - thanks! Yes...the Russian muddy mud! No fun at all - interesting build tho - and the mud turned out better than expected!

Hey Dave - yeah, the fun of a big or little dio - in this case showing the problem and exasperation! Of both me and the tank operator!

Hi KSO - thanks very much - a bit of a challenge to figure out - without lots of "props" and still demonstrate something credible!

Hi Jerry - thanks, I appreciate your words! The mud and rest of it - coordinating it all was fun - and finally, I'm not overtly embarrassed by the figures! You've said it several times....practice!!

Hi Stephen - thanks very much - I took your earlier words seriously and I think they really helped make this build convincing! I appreciate you sharing your insights! As for the guys - muddy guys....stuck dealing with all! - like me too...haha

Hey Cheyenne - yeah...what's up...my life feels a bit like that t-34 and crew looks - stuck in the deep mud with a thrown track! Lol - as Jerry has told us before - "keep marching and don't get bunched up!!! Words to live by...haha

Hi Tim - yeah, thanks to you too - I thought about your comments and tried to take cues from them - in the spirit of the intent of the project! Thanks, bro -

Ok - this one's already collecting dust and a new one in the works...model on!!

Or at least keep marching and don't get (mentally) bunched up!!

Happy trails guys - and thanks again - I appreciate it!

Nick
Dioramartin
Visit this Community
New South Wales, Australia
Joined: May 04, 2016
KitMaker: 581 posts
Armorama: 580 posts
Posted: Friday, August 11, 2017 - 12:55 AM GMT+7
Great job Nick, you are the Rasputin of rasputitsa (but don’t go saying that to the girls at the bar)

cheyenne
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: January 05, 2005
KitMaker: 1,581 posts
Armorama: 1,209 posts
Posted: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 - 09:55 PM GMT+7
What's up Nick ?
This turned out great the mud work is exceptional and the scene tells a cool story .
Bravo1102
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: December 08, 2003
KitMaker: 2,057 posts
Armorama: 1,765 posts
Posted: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 - 04:46 PM GMT+7
You got it. Came out great. Love that guy splashing through the mud, the one with the tow cable and the tanker's bar. Great job. Really tells the story of tankers doing a tough job under trying circumstances.
jrutman
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: April 10, 2011
KitMaker: 6,608 posts
Armorama: 6,602 posts
Posted: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 - 01:05 PM GMT+7
Very very very cool ! That mud looks great and everything looks very believable. Nice one man,
J
KoSprueOne
Visit this Community
Myanmar
Joined: March 05, 2004
KitMaker: 3,619 posts
Armorama: 1,334 posts
Posted: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 - 01:04 PM GMT+7
Very nice story telling. The mud looks like mud and with wet dirt




strongarden
Visit this Community
Florida, United States
Joined: May 14, 2012
KitMaker: 567 posts
Armorama: 464 posts
Posted: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 - 11:24 AM GMT+7
Nick this turned out great, really makes one feel for the poor tank operator who drove right in to a muddy ditch in the road.
well done Sir!

Dave
justsendit
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: February 24, 2014
KitMaker: 2,616 posts
Armorama: 2,147 posts
Posted: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 - 11:23 AM GMT+7
Hi Nick,
That Pаспу́тица really looks the part! Very nice work all around!
Image No. 3 dialog

Cheers!🍺
—mike
Stickframe
#362
Visit this Community
California, United States
Joined: December 01, 2013
KitMaker: 1,191 posts
Armorama: 1,113 posts
Posted: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 - 11:00 AM GMT+7
Hi Kurt - glad you could spend a minute and drop by!

This is one is done - it has been now for a couple of weeks - but work has been kicking my A$&!! eating up lots of time and my patience - but, the dude abides.....

Please see below - I finished this up generally as I planned to - but, Stephen, I scratch built some tools and some cable rope - you'll see. And Tim, these are the figures I started with - I pulled one guy off the tank and he received some surgery - he went from sitting to walking - with a few big cuts and lots of putty -

At this point, I can't speak to the accuracy of the representation (per previous comments above) but like the results, but I do like the way the mud etc worked out, which was the basic goal. After this posting, this model will make it's way to dio limbo...where it will sit! with it's friends, the other finished projects! If anybody wants a dio or two cheap, let me know!

OK, on to the build





















OK- there you have it! this one's done! thanks for taking a look!

Nick


kurnuy
Visit this Community
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
Joined: August 22, 2009
KitMaker: 1,490 posts
Armorama: 996 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 - 06:49 AM GMT+7
Hi Nick ,

yes nice work so far . I like the tank and the muddy scene , so i've bookmarked it.

Don't forget to keep this hot and i won't forget to check in from time to time .

Kurt
Dioramartin
Visit this Community
New South Wales, Australia
Joined: May 04, 2016
KitMaker: 581 posts
Armorama: 580 posts
Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 10:15 PM GMT+7
Hey Nick no no the only reason I pitched in then was because I think it’s easily amendable & as I’d hoped Stephen knows what he’s talking about better than I.
Just lose the infantry & spend 20 bucks or so on one of those great MinArt tank crews who can be knee-deep around the tracks preparing for – or arguing about - the tow, with a few generic tools & a 2nd cable lying around. Besides, to have the figs up to their knees in it wld only amplify your focus, the mud itself
Stickframe
#362
Visit this Community
California, United States
Joined: December 01, 2013
KitMaker: 1,191 posts
Armorama: 1,113 posts
Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 05:27 PM GMT+7
Hi guys - thanks for checking in!

Frederick, thanks! The mud has been interesting to try and figure out!

Tim and Stephen - One of the best parts of this forum is picking up good info! I'm sure both of your observations are spot on. Who knows? Maybe I'll try another "night in the ruts" some day (with better info at hand!)... As for this, the plan focused on the tank and mud and making it look reasonably convincing - just wish I knew what you guys did before I started!

As for those figs...uhh, yeah, they are not top of the shelf resin...which is ok...I didn't want to spend too much on this build - good painting practice anyway..we'll see - maybe it will be ok when it's done - who knows?

What to do now? I'm going to finish it and place it among other finished projects - it will soon become "night in the dust".. tho it is a bummer to know what I'm building is...not right....

As for next steps, I will finish the terrain, adding more mud and eventually water - at this point I'm just curious to know if I can.

Thanks for taking the time to leave some good info!

Cheers
Nick
Bravo1102
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: December 08, 2003
KitMaker: 2,057 posts
Armorama: 1,765 posts
Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 05:09 PM GMT+7
Should be two cables. Pull on one and the tank could spin around in the mud and not go anywhere and worse one cable would have too much stress and snap.

The guys would be pitching in, literally, throwing in wood, blankets and straw for the the tank to get traction. Or better yet those cleats nicely stored in the fender. Thats what they're there for. Not just snow. That along with the tow hooks, other cable and jack and the blocks on the back fender would be thrown into the mix to get the tank out. And somebody has to have a pry bar. The ubiquitous tanker tool, the tanker's bar.

As said above the broken track would at least be tied together using the "u" hooks and a rope to work them back on while pulling the tank forward.

By the way, the preferred method for self recovery is to use the "u" hooks, cable put around a log and the track. Drive forward, the log goes under the vehicle allowing it to clear the mud. That's why Russian tanks invariably have unditching logs and tow cables.
Dioramartin
Visit this Community
New South Wales, Australia
Joined: May 04, 2016
KitMaker: 581 posts
Armorama: 580 posts
Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 04:31 PM GMT+7
Glorious mud Nick I’m sure it’ll go hard eventually, as the actress… oh never mind. May I make a couple of obs?

1) Looks like they threw some timber at the rear of the starboard track…an abandoned attempt (and reverse movement) to drive it out backwards (?)…so now it’s being towed forwards (?). If I’m reading that right, while I’ll defer to any tanker/vet I would have thought towing it forwards would create problems with the broken track, the upper run will just spill out the back. If I was the tow-er I’d attach a 2nd cable or rope to the upper run – your crew could be doing that – to pull it forwards to take up the slack at the same rate the tank was being pulled. Once it was free, repairing the broken ends with new pins would be relatively easy because the ends would be close together.

2) Those tank-riders look really naff – sorry I don’t mean your work, I mean whoever manufactured them, and they don’t really make sense in the dio anyway if your primary aim is showing a recovery. If you agree with (1) I would have thought the only crew in the tank might be the invisible driver (ideally visible if his hatch still opens?), and the others would all be out working their butts off helping with the towing, & the infantry would have already transferred to a more viable ride.

About cables, ordinary picture wire (as in hanging framed pictures, the steel type’s obviously better than the brass when it comes to painting it) comes in several useful 1/35th gauges with a reasonable “bend-memory” - I’ve used it for years & never found a better solution.

Cheers

JPTRR
Staff MemberManaging Editor
RAILROAD MODELING
#051
Visit this Community
Tennessee, United States
Joined: December 21, 2002
KitMaker: 7,110 posts
Armorama: 2,173 posts
Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 01:10 PM GMT+7
Tanks, mud, guns - boys will be boys.

Great concept and execution. I'll be watching. This is neat diorama you are making.
Stickframe
#362
Visit this Community
California, United States
Joined: December 01, 2013
KitMaker: 1,191 posts
Armorama: 1,113 posts
Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 10:12 AM GMT+7
Hi guys - just a brief update today. It turns out that the mud remained a muddy soft area, so , I dug the center portion out, and added a piece of wood for fill. Weird thing, the "top" of the mud was so solid i could cut it cleanly with a knife, so just lifted out the cut area and the goo beneath it lifted out too.

Please see the attached - I'll add a new layer of "mud" over my wood fill material:





The plan it to add more mud, let it set up, then add some woodland scenics water - but, I cant do the latter until the former is set -

OK, thanks for checking it out -

Nick

Stickframe
#362
Visit this Community
California, United States
Joined: December 01, 2013
KitMaker: 1,191 posts
Armorama: 1,113 posts
Posted: Monday, July 17, 2017 - 08:56 AM GMT+7
Hi guys -

yes, today some pictures!

Tim -yeah....good and the bad that comes with experimenting....yes...I'll keep doing so - you never know when something cool might happen -

Jerry - you nailed it exactly! I should not have experimented, and instead put down thin layers....

So, the result this AM before I left for work was the mush is getting firmer, so maybe a day of getting baked without me fooling around with it will net some good results.

Meanwhile at the office, another lunch time post - sort of a step by step - please have a look:





Before dropping a perfectly good model in the muck - I want to be able to find the right place again on the layout, so some tape was used to bracket the location





I didn't want to need to install these guys once the kit was mounted, so there you have them....





and more guys...and below - the pumice underway - mixed with some vallejo color:





nice huh? after the above photo time to get serious, and to drop your kit into that mess....







above, you can see - my tank looks to be on the mud, and not in it...so:








As above, you can see I kept adding my fake mud....








And as you can see above, the surface of this has dried to look right. However, just beneath is a mushy mess just like the real thing - let's hope it solidifies - as I want to add water...but need to/will wait...and before that, maybe more mud too....we'll see -

thanks for checking it out -

Nick







jrutman
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: April 10, 2011
KitMaker: 6,608 posts
Armorama: 6,602 posts
Posted: Monday, July 17, 2017 - 01:39 AM GMT+7
So the mud is behaving like when you paint a second coat on paint that has not properly dried yet. Been there,done that frustrating thing a few times. It really retards the drying process.
J
Dioramartin
Visit this Community
New South Wales, Australia
Joined: May 04, 2016
KitMaker: 581 posts
Armorama: 580 posts
Posted: Monday, July 17, 2017 - 12:48 AM GMT+7
Reminds me of the first dio base I attempted years ago, 2-inch thick papier mache left in the garden shed to cure in high summer. 5 days later I opened the door – a forest of ? fungal spores half an inch high all over it…and jeez did it stink. Somehow I couldn’t find a way of using it as I wasn’t into sci-fi. The missing ingredient was a capful of antiseptic

Stickframe
#362
Visit this Community
California, United States
Joined: December 01, 2013
KitMaker: 1,191 posts
Armorama: 1,113 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 02:40 PM GMT+7
Hi guys - thanks for having a look and leaving some comments - I appreciate them!

Hi Mark - glad to hear you like it so far - really a different type of build for me, thanks! I think I'll keep fooling around with armor - not just soft skins in the future.

Hi Tim - thanks, and glad you're liking it so far. The pumice gel is made by a company called Golden. I picked it up at Blick's art supply. And...am learning a lesson or two -

First, you can mix some Vallejo acrylic with it, and get a nice color blend...second, on a less happy note, I'm discovering that even though it's hot and dry here, you probably should not place thick layers of the stuff on your dio. There is enough moisture in the mix, that it doesn't seem to want to set up below the surface - sort of like a mud filled pie!

The top is nice and firm, but push with your finger and it's still mushy below...perfect. I'll give it another day to set up. If no luck, I'll dig out the mush and gradually refill in a series of shallow lifts..and try not to destroy the dio - as the T-34 is now set in the muck!! Life of the dio builder is always intense! Haha

Hi Jerry, thanks for dropping by! Yeah, about the mud...please see above...looks great, but taking some time to set up....will keep the group updated on what happens!

Hi Tom - thanks!

Hi Bill - glad you had a look and left a comment - thanks! Yeah...again, see above, just like really being stuck in the mud...it's a mess!

Hi Mike, thanks! Yeah - I was really needing a change and this has been fun! The kit was perfect for a tank amateur like me, I really couldn't ask for a more straight forward kit to build - compared say to my favorite Panda M-ATV...a pain to build, but I keep doing it! Thanks for the tip on the tow cable - maybe next time...I've alread pryed them off once...at this point I'll do more harm than good fooling around with them anymore!

Ok - I'll post a step by step update tomorrow - I took pics along the way. I'll also report on the status of my mud setting up more overnight - I'm hoping...the dio is upstairs in an uncomfortably warm room - hopefully baking the moisture out of my mud!

Thanks for having a look
Cheers
Nick
justsendit
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: February 24, 2014
KitMaker: 2,616 posts
Armorama: 2,147 posts
Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 07:26 AM GMT+7
Hi Nick!
Talk about changing gears — you're slammin' them! This is awesome already and looks like a lesson in "Rasputitsa" done really well! 📚

Can't wait to see the T34 and its tankers stuck into that goop — although, I hear they were'nt as bad off as the Germans were!

About the tow cable: Have you looked into Ureeka XXL? They make very realistic looking braided tow cables (easy to shape and can be purchased with or w/o resin eyelets) — available on eBay.

Keep up the great work, comrade!🍺 ... Oops, should be Vodca!
—Майкл
bill_c
Staff MemberCampaigns Administrator
MODEL SHIPWRIGHTS
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: January 09, 2008
KitMaker: 9,714 posts
Armorama: 7,481 posts
Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 05:39 AM GMT+7
Looks like a ****ing mess, haha, just the way you would want it to look. Congratulations, that's NASTY looking mud.
parrot
Visit this Community
Ontario, Canada
Joined: March 01, 2002
KitMaker: 1,559 posts
Armorama: 1,533 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 03:37 AM GMT+7
As always,looking good Jerry.

Tom
jrutman
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: April 10, 2011
KitMaker: 6,608 posts
Armorama: 6,602 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 03:35 AM GMT+7
Looking good ! Taking notes as I have a small mud project on the way.
J