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Scatter material for a modern cammo net?
Phil5000
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Posted: Monday, May 15, 2017 - 03:00 PM GMT+7
Hi fellas,

I'm looking for something to make the round fabric bits on a modern cammo net. I will be using some old VP net for the net itself. I've looked into it online and some suggest using mixed herbs or tea (and sprinkling it over the netting) but that would be too irregular. I've got some herbs and they're too clumpy. You want something flat to look like cloth. Does anyone have any ideas?

I've thought about punching some round holes in some crepe paper, i think that would work but I can't find a hole punch small enough. I'm guessing three millimeters would be about the right size.

Thanks.
Knuckles
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Posted: Monday, May 15, 2017 - 03:30 PM GMT+7
I use a few of these for litter--might work for you:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USTAR-U-STAR-TOOLS-Leaf-Leaves-Maker-Embossing-Punch-Tool/361952333161?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=631212495047&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
Knuckles
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Posted: Monday, May 15, 2017 - 03:40 PM GMT+7
*and use real leaves
junglejim
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Posted: Monday, May 15, 2017 - 04:14 PM GMT+7
I suggest one of the newer 'paper' style of net to reproduce modern, plastic cam netting, like this one from Kamizukuri:

http://www.passionmodels.jp/product/291



Stuff sprinkled on fabric netting might be OK for WW2 nets, but just doesn't capture the look of modern nets.

Jim
Knuckles
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Posted: Monday, May 15, 2017 - 04:17 PM GMT+7
^^^THAT stuff...is big sexy. Needing some. Thanks for the heads up!!
junglejim
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Posted: Monday, May 15, 2017 - 04:23 PM GMT+7
There's a couple more out there, but for the life of me can't remember who makes them. DEF maybe?

Jim
dinovision79
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Posted: Monday, May 15, 2017 - 07:42 PM GMT+7
You have lot's of options, Tetra Modelworks, Eduard, ET models, AFV Club, these are paper or photo-etched of thin material, I recall (some) got very good reviews, go thorugh them, some had scale issues too, that are not obvious from photos.

Hope this helps!
Denes
Bricksy1969
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Posted: Monday, May 15, 2017 - 08:25 PM GMT+7
I prefer to go down the verlinden method.

Camo net by verlinden or similar soaked in watered down PVA then draped over the kit - then sprinkles with dried mixed herbs and allowed to dry.

This is then painted an dry brushed with various shades of green



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hugohuertas
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 10:04 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

I prefer to go down the verlinden method.

Camo net by verlinden or similar soaked in watered down PVA then draped over the kit - then sprinkles with dried mixed herbs and allowed to dry.

This is then painted an dry brushed with various shades of green



I was a big fan of Verlinden's method, back in the 80's and early 90's.
It can still be good for cammo nets for that era but, as Jim Carswell pointed out previously, it does not capture the look nor the design of modern nets.

I recently tried a couple of the AM stuff: Arkebuza and Tetra Modelworks, and prefer the latter but cannot ensure if it is completely accurate.
ptruhe
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 10:56 AM GMT+7
Echelon does a camo net as well but I've not laid hands on it.

It's not quite a circle. As I recall, the sections are still somewhat connected.
tankmodeler
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Posted: Thursday, May 18, 2017 - 01:41 AM GMT+7
If you want to make a modern net yourself but can't find a punch get a brass tube of the right diameter, grind the end sharp with a dremel and stone (or bench grinder) and then cut or grind away half of the sharpened end of the tube, leaving a sharpened semicircle. Use that to punch out the crepe paper. Then drape, dampen with thinned PVA and then fine position before it dries.
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, May 18, 2017 - 05:43 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

If you want to make a modern net yourself but can't find a punch get a brass tube of the right diameter, grind the end sharp with a dremel and stone (or bench grinder) and then cut or grind away half of the sharpened end of the tube, leaving a sharpened semicircle. Use that to punch out the crepe paper. Then drape, dampen with thinned PVA and then fine position before it dries.



This rings a bell...

http://www.plasticwarfare.se/2007/10/how-to-make-realistic-barracuda-camouflage-netting-in-135/

H.P.
Jack_Turmoil
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Posted: Thursday, May 18, 2017 - 10:31 AM GMT+7
Great conversation. Some new products to check out! I will have to try out that tutorial on plasticwarefare.se, as well. If I come up with decent results, I'll post a pic here.
Bricksy1969
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Posted: Thursday, May 18, 2017 - 10:46 PM GMT+7
totally misread the post!

Yes of course the modern stuff - am tempted to have a go using thin clay drapped over then using some from of tool to mark it.
tankmodeler
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Posted: Friday, May 19, 2017 - 01:31 AM GMT+7


I hadn't seen that tutorial, but that's exactly the method I was thinking of. There was some discussion here on Armorama about 8 or so years ago on this technique which may have originated from that page.
Phil5000
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Posted: Friday, May 19, 2017 - 07:39 PM GMT+7
Thanks guys.

The tank I want to use the net with is a T-64.