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[W] Bereg & Rubezh - Trumpeter 1:35
Gelerth
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Posted: Sunday, March 26, 2017 - 10:55 PM GMT+7
Lack of inspiration for the Scimitar and Scorpion, forced me to start another big project:Russian A-222 Bereg 130mm Coastal Defense Gun of Bereg Coastal Artillery System along with Russian 3S51M SPU of 4K51 Rubezh Costal Missile System with P-15.
Quite large vehicles, I will have to figure out how to put them on base as I would like to make them if fire ready position.

Starting with Rubez frame:



Engine and suspestion in parts. I'm trying to do it a little bit different that manual says as on SCUD I manage to broke some wheel arms:

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So far so good with one small issue. I have a feeling that forms after Smerch and SCUD are used too much as quality of parts is much worse than on SCUD (I did Smerch from Meng so cannot compare). Parts have bad seem lines and requires a lot of cleaning.

Parts primed in black and ready for assemble:



Frame with engine glued:



I drilled exhaust pipes a little bit wider and rust them with pigments:



Dry fit of front bumper and grill/radiator section:



Front side views:

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I did supports as well, had to replace handle with wire:



I glued turret frame (dryfit with main frame):

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That's it for the Bereg, now moving on to Rubezh.
RussianArmor
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Posted: Sunday, March 26, 2017 - 11:23 PM GMT+7
Looks awesome, Gelerth. Is there Photo Etch holding up the rear fenders?

I built the Trumpeter Smerch a couple of months ago and didn't have a huge problem with flash or seams. I may have gotten an early production kit.

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Posted: Sunday, March 26, 2017 - 11:53 PM GMT+7
Very promising start!
Gelerth
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 12:28 AM GMT+7

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Looks awesome, Gelerth. Is there Photo Etch holding up the rear fenders?

I built the Trumpeter Smerch a couple of months ago and didn't have a huge problem with flash or seams. I may have gotten an early production kit.



Thank you.
Almost all parts are plastic. PE parts were only used on supports and two small parts on the frame (in the middle).
SCUD was first one, then Smerch and then Bereg/Rubezh, so parts could be still good quality on Smerch. Unfortunately diffference between SCUD and Bereg is quite big especially on the parts used for frame (Sprues A, B and C).
Logan
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 02:49 AM GMT+7
HI

I recently finished the BEREG and have just picked up the RUBEZH. I look fwd to following along as you build yours.

Tom
Gelerth
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 03:13 AM GMT+7

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HI

I recently finished the BEREG and have just picked up the RUBEZH. I look fwd to following along as you build yours.

Tom

Hi Tom,
Could you share some pics or link to your finished build?
What do you think about this kit?
RussianArmor
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 11:18 AM GMT+7

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Looks awesome, Gelerth. Is there Photo Etch holding up the rear fenders?

I built the Trumpeter Smerch a couple of months ago and didn't have a huge problem with flash or seams. I may have gotten an early production kit.



Thank you.
Almost all parts are plastic. PE parts were only used on supports and two small parts on the frame (in the middle).
SCUD was first one, then Smerch and then Bereg/Rubezh, so parts could be still good quality on Smerch. Unfortunately diffference between SCUD and Bereg is quite big especially on the parts used for frame (Sprues A, B and C).



You piqued my interest, so I unboxed my Rubezh. Out of 21 sprues, 8 are from the original scud kit (4 copies of B, 2 copies of C, P and E). The rest are either from the smerch, a222 or original to this kit. Of the scud sprues, I do not see any real flash problems. B has some very tiny eye hooks for the top of the cab, and they look perfect. Now, there are some seams that will need cleaning. There are a couple of chassis parts that will need some serious sanding to get rid of the seams. A lot of the cab and trailer parts came from the Smerch, so they must have done a bit of retooling after the scud. Sprues L is from the A222, and it's the front of the vehicle (bumper, ladders on the radiator, etc)
Robbd01
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 12:02 PM GMT+7
I picked up the Rubezh kit last month (only because of my days in the US Navy dealing with the Silkworm), and you're doing a dual build is tempting me to also get the Bereg kit. Not sure, like you, I would ever do both at the same time. The Rubezh kit itself looks more then enough for me to handle at one time. I shall be watching.

Cheers
Gelerth
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 10:44 PM GMT+7

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You piqued my interest, so I unboxed my Rubezh. Out of 21 sprues, 8 are from the original scud kit (4 copies of B, 2 copies of C, P and E). The rest are either from the smerch, a222 or original to this kit. Of the scud sprues, I do not see any real flash problems. B has some very tiny eye hooks for the top of the cab, and they look perfect. Now, there are some seams that will need cleaning. There are a couple of chassis parts that will need some serious sanding to get rid of the seams. A lot of the cab and trailer parts came from the Smerch, so they must have done a bit of retooling after the scud. Sprues L is from the A222, and it's the front of the vehicle (bumper, ladders on the radiator, etc)

David, maybe I'm overreacting or I have some bad luck, but I can see some difference. Parts are not the same quality as SCUD and they need some more cleaning and attention. Just to be sure I compared some of them with the SCUD leftovers and there is a difference especially on round rods. It's not the big issue but it's just annoying but just to be honest - overall those kits are great and I'm really happy that Trumpy did them.



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I picked up the Rubezh kit last month (only because of my days in the US Navy dealing with the Silkworm), and you're doing a dual build is tempting me to also get the Bereg kit. Not sure, like you, I would ever do both at the same time. The Rubezh kit itself looks more then enough for me to handle at one time. I shall be watching.

Robbie, in past I did some double or triple build like Chinese triplets but never such big models. It's quite challenging but I hope I will manage. Thanks for watching.
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2017 - 11:32 PM GMT+7

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You piqued my interest, so I unboxed my Rubezh. Out of 21 sprues, 8 are from the original scud kit (4 copies of B, 2 copies of C, P and E). The rest are either from the smerch, a222 or original to this kit. Of the scud sprues, I do not see any real flash problems. B has some very tiny eye hooks for the top of the cab, and they look perfect. Now, there are some seams that will need cleaning. There are a couple of chassis parts that will need some serious sanding to get rid of the seams. A lot of the cab and trailer parts came from the Smerch, so they must have done a bit of retooling after the scud. Sprues L is from the A222, and it's the front of the vehicle (bumper, ladders on the radiator, etc)

David, maybe I'm overreacting or I have some bad luck, but I can see some difference. Parts are not the same quality as SCUD and they need some more cleaning and attention. Just to be sure I compared some of them with the SCUD leftovers and there is a difference especially on round rods. It's not the big issue but it's just annoying but just to be honest - overall those kits are great and I'm really happy that Trumpy did them.



Since I unboxed the Rubezh and seeing that you are building two big ones at the same time, I decided to build it along side of the 2P19 SCUD B (Or as I like to call it, the SCUD B Initial Operating Capability). I did have to do a bit of scraping on the rods that connect the two chassis halves. How did you get that rust effect on the exhaust?

On the 2P19, I am running in to a few instruction errors (like not calling out part numbers, wrong part nubers, etc) It's rather odd for a Trumpeter kit to have some many instruction errors.

By the way, Trumpeter's Smerch was much more difficult then the Meng version. The fenders were held up with photo etch, which were a pain to get folded correctly, and worst of all was the ridge that runs down all of the rocket tubes were two separate parts to glue on. There are faint guide lines on the tubes to glue them on, and if you are off just a little bit, they won't twist in to the assembly. So, when you are trying to fill and sand the tubes, you can't remove the guide marks unless you want to spend hours trying to fiddle with the ridges to get it right.
Gelerth
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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2017 - 12:25 AM GMT+7
Second frame is being done, first by cutting and cleaning all required parts:



Those parts (more less) are needed for frame:



Glued into bigger parts:



With engine coves, some boxes and fuel tanks:



Now painting and assembling frame then I will try to estimate base size.


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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2017 - 02:18 AM GMT+7

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HI

I recently finished the BEREG and have just picked up the RUBEZH. I look fwd to following along as you build yours.

Tom

Hi Tom,
Could you share some pics or link to your finished build?
What do
you think about this kit?



Hi

Sorry, missed this earlier.

I did take a few Q&D pix that I can post if you are interested. It is now packed away for an upcoming move.

With the exception of the cab/engine compartment, I found that everything fit pretty well.

Pay close attention to the instructions as they tend to flip the pix around and sometimes it leaves you scratching your head.

Some details are simplified or missing.

Overall, I found it an enjoyable build.

Tom
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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2017 - 09:27 AM GMT+7
This comment is a little late in coming, sorry- I am working on a Smerch chassis for a friend and I carefully separated the radiator from the front grill using a jeweler's frame saw. This allowed me to add additional detail to the front of the radiator and keep the grill loose for a later time in the painting cycle since it needs to be the exterior body color rather than black.

I also have plans to rebuild the grill with scratch built open cage bars so you can actually see the radiator thru it. The MAZ 8x8 has louvers behind the cage bars which can be opened or closed in cold weather or when the engine is warming up. So building the grill either way is acceptable.



Please Note: No louvers should appear behind the left hand third of the grill. No need - they are not required as this area is for the oil cooler not water radiator. (On Scud this cooler is located up on the driver's side, with the other auxiliaries, behind the cab.)
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 11:25 PM GMT+7
Bereg & Rubezh are getting bigger - both frames ready:

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Fitting to the 30x60cm (12"x24") base:



Later i took care of drivers cabs:



Painted with two a little different shades:

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Almost done:



I did also a missiles:

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heliman
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 01:02 AM GMT+7
Very nice work !!
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 01:33 AM GMT+7

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You piqued my interest, so I unboxed my Rubezh. Out of 21 sprues, 8 are from the original scud kit (4 copies of B, 2 copies of C, P and E). The rest are either from the smerch, a222 or original to this kit. Of the scud sprues, I do not see any real flash problems. B has some very tiny eye hooks for the top of the cab, and they look perfect. Now, there are some seams that will need cleaning. There are a couple of chassis parts that will need some serious sanding to get rid of the seams. A lot of the cab and trailer parts came from the Smerch, so they must have done a bit of retooling after the scud. Sprues L is from the A222, and it's the front of the vehicle (bumper, ladders on the radiator, etc)

David, maybe I'm overreacting or I have some bad luck, but I can see some difference. Parts are not the same quality as SCUD and they need some more cleaning and attention. Just to be sure I compared some of them with the SCUD leftovers and there is a difference especially on round rods. It's not the big issue but it's just annoying but just to be honest - overall those kits are great and I'm really happy that Trumpy did them.



Since I unboxed the Rubezh and seeing that you are building two big ones at the same time, I decided to build it along side of the 2P19 SCUD B (Or as I like to call it, the SCUD B Initial Operating Capability). I did have to do a bit of scraping on the rods that connect the two chassis halves. How did you get that rust effect on the exhaust?

On the 2P19, I am running in to a few instruction errors (like not calling out part numbers, wrong part nubers, etc) It's rather odd for a Trumpeter kit to have some many instruction errors.

By the way, Trumpeter's Smerch was much more difficult then the Meng version. The fenders were held up with photo etch, which were a pain to get folded correctly, and worst of all was the ridge that runs down all of the rocket tubes were two separate parts to glue on. There are faint guide lines on the tubes to glue them on, and if you are off just a little bit, they won't twist in to the assembly. So, when you are trying to fill and sand the tubes, you can't remove the guide marks unless you want to spend hours trying to fiddle with the ridges to get it right.


I agree with you on the difficulty of the guide rail of launcher tube on Smerch. they are quite tricky to glue but it is the only way to show the correct rolling shape as the real one has. meng mold them on the sprue but with a totally wrong shape.My way is first dry fit it and try to do some pre-rolling then glue them section by section. not glue them all on at once,
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 02:04 AM GMT+7
Really nice paint work. What green did you start with for the cab interior?
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 02:23 AM GMT+7

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Really nice paint work. What green did you start with for the cab interior?

It was my mix of Tamiya colors but I do not have exact proportions. I used Sky Blue and Park Green mostly with some White and Green Yellow. I did it when I was building Meng's Smerch but there was enough to paint SCUD, Bereg and Rubezh cabs and still some left for a upcoming S-300.;-)
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Posted: Monday, April 24, 2017 - 03:54 AM GMT+7
Moving on.
Bottom side of radar compartment. It can have a movable ladder but it's too tight so had to glue a strips of 0,5mm HIPS:

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Top view, nothing inside, not a single part:



Radar attached



Launcher base with ugly pin marks:



Dry fit with missile:

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Launcher cover - very nice parts:



Fitting (dry) to the frame:

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Shaded:



And painted and glued together, covers were attached using maskol fluid:

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