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Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2016 - 07:30 PM UTC
A "Namer" equipped with IMI's "Trophy" system.




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Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2016 - 07:40 PM UTC
A "half-naked" Puma. Note the improvised tactical marking (reservists...?).





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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 01:20 AM UTC
pfft, typical reservists.

nice photos, RR, keep up the great work...

I'll continue to dig around and contribute where I can.

And thanks for correctly identifying the Merkava 2 based ARV, too; well spotted. It was a test....

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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 08:09 AM UTC

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A "Namer" equipped with IMI's "Trophy" system.






That's a bad looking track. Looks like the grunts inside it are well protected. Would love a model of the all-up Namer equipped with Trophy. From what I've read the Trophy system is still not that common due to budget pressures.
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 10:44 AM UTC

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From what I've read the Trophy system is still not that common due to budget pressures.



Correct. 300K a piece, ain't lollipop...
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 11:06 AM UTC

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Prototype engineer vehicle based on Namer hull, for those that purchased the Hobbyboss kit...



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finally,



all taken from public sources, now of which are mine. Credit to the photographer, nicely done.

kylie



Wow Thanks Man ! - got this kit in my stash and am itching to build it, especially love the rear view with the winch.
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 01:14 PM UTC
The Merkava ARV is based on a Mk. 3 chassis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkava#Merkava_ARV_Nemmera
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 03:37 PM UTC

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The Merkava ARV is based on a Mk. 3 chassis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkava#Merkava_ARV_Nemmera



Correct, my bad. Fat Finger Syndrome...
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 06:52 PM UTC

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From what I've read the Trophy system is still not that common due to budget pressures.



Correct. 300K a piece, ain't lollipop...



Given how common ATGM's are becoming, especially on their northern border, I'd suggest that $300K is pretty short money.

Are there any conversions out there that would allow me to build one of these? I'm not a huge IDF armor fan but for some reason, this track really appeals to me.
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 07:14 PM UTC

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Are there any conversions out there that would allow me to build one of these? I'm not a huge IDF armor fan but for some reason, this track really appeals to me.



Hobby Boss does a 1/35 "Namer" ARV, Legend has a full resin 1/35 "Namer" HAPC. I'm not aware of a conversion kit.
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 07:27 PM UTC

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Given how common ATGM's are becoming, especially on their northern border, I'd suggest that $300K is pretty short money.



As for now, only (front line) regular army units are being equipped with this system, at a quiet slow pace. The reserve units (in Israel they are considered the REAL ARMY) can only dream about it...
The IDF has thousands of AFV's (most of them in reserve), I'm quite sure only a fraction of them will get this system.

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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 09:19 PM UTC

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Given how common ATGM's are becoming, especially on their northern border, I'd suggest that $300K is pretty short money.



As for now, only (front line) regular army units are being equipped with this system, at a quiet slow pace. The reserve units (in Israel they are considered the REAL ARMY) can only dream about it...
The IDF has thousands of AFV's (most of them in reserve), I'm quite sure only a fraction of them will get this system.




Seems a bit shortsighted but the IDF is still ahead of the US military which, at last count, currently has zero active-protection systems installed on their vehicles.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to post this great info and all the pictures. Keep them coming!
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 09:37 PM UTC
The US Army is currently testing the system. Earlier I've credited IMI (Israel Military Industries) with designing and building this system, but actually it's Rafael's very own product.

http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/us-army-testing-israeli-trophy-system
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 09:53 PM UTC
Despite all the new designs, the obsolete M113 "Bardelas" is still the backbone of the IDF's mechanized infantry units. This fact leads sometimes to clashes between the reservists and their superiors.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/soldiers-refuse-to-board-outdated-unprotected-apc/
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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 12:42 AM UTC
Kylie, there's a new one. This is some kind of mine plow blade (used on "Doobi"...?).



Rafael's remotely operated 30mm gun.



A similar (same?) system on an "Achzarit".



A nice concentration of...hmmm...everything No.1.



A nice concentration of...hmmm...everything No.2.


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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 12:58 AM UTC
I would like to have that Merkava 2B/M113 Vulcan combo please...How much you say it was?

http://contact-kalia.com/product/m113a-apc-from-military-surplus/

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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 01:08 AM UTC
An impressive column of "Achzarits"...





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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 01:16 AM UTC
A "Puma"'s busy deck.

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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 08:45 AM UTC
we meet again, ReluctantRenegade, thank you for the shot of the mine plow, most interesting. And I've some more to add...







Now, of note is that the 30mm remote control weapon station is available as a kit from two different makers... just be aware of the orientation of the missile box as it can be either side by side, or under and over, depending on which vehicle it is mounted... the Achzarit or Namer.

Legend's is to release a rocket set for the PUMA "carpet" update, so save ya pennies. If not, I've a shot or two of the rockets, if anyone is interested.

hello armouredcharmer, I'll see what else I can find for you...

and finally, for your viewing pleasure...





Two different RWS mounted on the M113.

have a good weekend. It is a public holiday here in New Zealand, and I'm on night shift again. Living the dream.

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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 10:37 AM UTC
You guys sure are keeping this thread interesting. Makes me want to purchase all these subjects in 1/35 kits. Btw, what is that box thing at the back of the Namer with #2? It looks like some kind of ammo sticking out of top of it. Anybody knows anything?

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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 11:07 AM UTC

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You guys sure are keeping this thread interesting. Makes me want to purchase all these subjects in 1/35 kits. Btw, what is that box thing at the back of the Namer with #2? It looks like some kind of ammo sticking out of top of it. Anybody knows anything?




That is the so called "carpet" system on the rear of a PUMA engineer vehicle.

Of interest on the rear hull of the Namer is the slat armour around what could be senors or counter measures.
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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 11:52 AM UTC

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Btw, what is that box thing at the back of the Namer with #2? It looks like some kind of ammo sticking out of top of it. Anybody knows anything?



http://defense-update.com/news/6702carpet.htm
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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 01:58 PM UTC
Mine plow used on "Pumas".









Dozer blade used on "Pumas".







Mine roller used on "Pumas'.







"Pumas" equipped with the "Carpet" system.





The 46kg rocket of the "Carpet"system.







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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 02:55 PM UTC
You may find hard to believe, but that's IDF stuff too.