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Armor/AFV: IDF [Israeli Defense Forces]
Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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Interesting/Odd IDF Heavy Metal
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Posted: Thursday, October 13, 2016 - 07:53 PM UTC
Like this one? http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=lnns3fcd0chlvk5a2rh499j3p5&topic=2068.0

No, I'm afraid there wasn't...Shame, it would've looked cool.



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Posted: Thursday, October 13, 2016 - 10:37 PM UTC
I'm a massive fan of any unusual IDF vehicles and these pictures are great.

Given me lots of ideas....
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Posted: Friday, October 14, 2016 - 08:44 PM UTC
A snow covered mid-production "Nagmachon". It's hard to tell from this angle, but probably a "Nagmapop".

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Posted: Friday, October 14, 2016 - 09:41 PM UTC
That is a Nagmapop for sure.
There are some great photos you have posted, keep up the good work.

Paul.
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Posted: Friday, October 14, 2016 - 09:47 PM UTC

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There are some great photos you have posted, keep up the good work.

Paul.



Thanks Paul, will do my best.
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Posted: Friday, October 14, 2016 - 10:00 PM UTC
A "Nakpadon" in South Lebanon during the 2006 war. Note the unusual device attached to the front of the vehicle. The lack of cover on the helmets of the soldiers in the middle and on the right indicates that they're probably reservists.

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Posted: Friday, October 14, 2016 - 10:07 PM UTC
Two more pictures of a similar (the same...?) "Nakpadon".






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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 05:54 AM UTC
OK, ReluctantRenegade, here's a couple for you,

Guardrail on Achzarit...



Engineer Achzarit...



PUMA with Drakonit, Norchi, and "carpet" system at rear...



and, my fave, Doobi with mine plow



I'll post more as I find them. I've seen a mine plow for the D9 in 1/72 scale, where the plow resembles that on the M1 breacher vehicle, but to date, have not seen a photo of this.

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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 02:19 PM UTC
More great photos! Keep them coming!!

The engineer Achzarit is known as a Hatap - Model Minatures did release one in 1/72 and I did try to convert the Meng kit to make one in 1/35:






Some more pics here of my build:

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=237951&page=1
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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 05:16 PM UTC

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The engineer Achzarit is known as a Hatap



The word "engineer" is a bit misleading in this case, since these (and similar) vehicles are not operated by the combat engineers (חיל ההנדסה הקרבית‎‎, Chel HaHandasa HaKravit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Engineering_Corps), but by ordnance troops (חיל החימוש‎‎, Chel HaHimush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Corps_(Israel)), even though they can by classified as "engineers" since their duty is to repair and recover.







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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 05:22 PM UTC

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Some more pics here of my build:



Looks like you've modeled this very fellow...excellent build!



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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 07:39 PM UTC

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A D9's towing a damaged Merkava hull (probably a 2D) during the 2006 war. All the damaged heavy equipment was recovered and returned to Israel.





I'd classify that one as a bit more than "damaged". IDF got hit pretty hard in that conflict by ATGM's. Great pictures on this thread, thanks for posting all of them.
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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 08:07 PM UTC

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IDF got hit pretty hard in that conflict by ATGM's.



52 tanks damaged, 5 destroyed.

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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 08:24 PM UTC

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The engineer Achzarit is known as a Hatap



Actually "HATAP" (HTP) isn't a name of this specific "Achzarit" variant, but rather stands for "Hulya Technit Plugatit" which roughly translates into Company(level) Technic Crew/Staff. Usually one such vehicle/crew (which includes mechanics, electricians, weapon specialists) serves a squadron of tanks, or in this case, a squadron of "Achzarits". An "Achzarit HATAP" would not be manned by infantry like the ones it's supposed to serve, but by Ordnance Corps troops.
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Posted: Saturday, October 15, 2016 - 08:52 PM UTC

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IDF got hit pretty hard in that conflict by ATGM's.



One of the 5 destroyed Merkavas (a 2B).

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Posted: Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 12:45 AM UTC
Female heavy APC instructors.

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Posted: Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 03:30 AM UTC
Hi all,

another view of "Hatap" vehicle, showing some of the rear, and close up of the side bins.




Hay Nagmakava, how would you rate the Model Minatures stuff, as I'm contemplating doing the same as you have. Nice build, by the way.

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Posted: Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 10:21 AM UTC

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Hi all,

Hay Nagmakava, how would you rate the Model Minatures stuff, as I'm contemplating doing the same as you have. Nice build, by the way.

Kylie



Hi Kylie,

The MM stuff is always great quality and they have loads of IDF subjects. The Droid kit that they also sell is also excellent, so I'd definitely recommend them.

HTH

Jim
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Posted: Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 12:40 PM UTC
Two Merkava 2D's, a mid-production Nagmachon and a D9 on Israel's northern border. Note the lack of tactical markings usual for IDF AFV's. The picture was taken right after Israel's withdrawal from South Lebanon in May 2000.

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Posted: Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:35 PM UTC
Great photos, thanks for posting.

Love the IDF use of older tank hulls for other purposes, just shows that with work an old Centurion (70 years, since first service) can still give service.

Oh dear, thinking about an IDF SPAA has given me an idea. Fictional but possible.
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Posted: Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 03:10 PM UTC

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Love the IDF use of older tank hulls for other purposes, just shows that with work an old Centurion (70 years, since first service) can still give service.



The "Shot" was chosen over the "Magach" as the base for the different "Nagma-" conversions because it has a tougher suspension at its superior armor. Early heavy APC conversions based on the "Magach" (a few that did enter service) proved to be vulnerable to IED's and were quickly phased out.
With so many early "Merkavas" in storage around their days are (unfortunately) numbered though...


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Oh dear, thinking about an IDF SPAA has given me an idea. Fictional but possible.



Not really "Heavy Metal", but a RAM based AA system does exist.



More about the RAM here :

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product944.html

http://defense-update.com/20120327_ram-mkiii-armored-vehicle-rough-and-tough.html







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Posted: Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 03:23 PM UTC
If we're already at it, then here's another RAM variant utilizing IAI's "LAHAT" system.

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Posted: Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 04:35 PM UTC
A few IDF related articles, mainly about the "Pereh". Even though the first video is in Hebrew, it's still worth to watch. The officer's turquoise baret and the Artillery Corps insignia are a clear indication that these vehicles are not operated by the Armored Corps. Note the vehicle behind the officer: that's how they look like on the field...I wouldn't worry about the exact shade you use for painting IDF AFV's...

https://tankandafvnews.com/tag/idf/


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Posted: Monday, October 17, 2016 - 09:13 PM UTC
Kylie, this one's for you...