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165thspc
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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2017 - 11:01 AM UTC
A couple of recent small free lanced projects just to try and get the model building juices flowing again.

A "powder and shot" horse drawn caisson using some left over limbers from the Tamiya German Field Kitchen sets. This one is totally "imagineered" so I am positive there are many things incorrect about it. Please be kind but I invite all comments on this project so that I might learn more about this interesting subject. (I have found many photos online of limbers with a spare wheel mounted at a 45 degree incline on the back of the second unit but only one photo showing a vertical spare wheel mounted as below with some sort of A-frame support structure. However, now I can no longer find that photo online - HELP!)


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The second is a project I started some time ago which is the late war, rubber tired, German Field Kitchen that could be towed behind a motor vehicle without having to be "loaded in the back of the truck."

The fenders are cut down Opel Blitz rear truck fenders. The wheels and tires are also out of the spares box.

Again all comments welcome.

Mike
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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2017 - 10:54 AM UTC
Great work Nick, that one is really a heavyweight!

I very much like the idea of compressing the suspension to take into account the fully loaded mass of the vehicle!
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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2017 - 07:54 AM UTC
HI Mike and other scratch and conversion enthusiasts -

This build is based on a photo I saw but from a somewhat questionable source - in as much as, I can't read the language - and can't tell what is being said, I am not too keen on posting the image - it is current though, and somewhere between Iraq and Syria.

I involves a M1165A1 and squad - The M1165A1 is the newer version that we have seen in the past of the GMV/DMV - heavily armed, beefed up suspension and so on. This will make its way into a dio in just such a theater of operations, but that't not for now.

Today, the conversion and scratch work - starting with Academy M1151 kit, and lots of changes from there. A few new parts, but mostly from the stash, junk box and just raw materials.

A few years back I purchased some images from Robert Skipper (18Bravo) that are great references in general and very much so on this!

In addition to adding parts, I lowered the suspension - this will be loaded up and i don't want it to be riding high - please take a look:





















Ok - I took these it's been primed and base coat applied - it has some Interior details added - maybe I'll post next time

cheers

Nick

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Posted: Saturday, August 19, 2017 - 04:19 AM UTC
Angel, you've been busy. Good job!
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Posted: Friday, August 18, 2017 - 11:22 PM UTC
Today I finished my Opel Blitz Werkstattwagen:

Not much interior visible here:

With generator in tow:



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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 03:18 PM UTC
Actually Robert, I was referring to the 115 trailer being able to carry the Pz. II.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 01:13 PM UTC
Hi Michael. The Faun was designed for it. After the Blitz they became somewhat obsolete and were moved to other divisions. Most of them were used for transport of supplies behind the line.
Very nice straight forward heavy trucks.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 12:52 PM UTC
Photo of possible interest. Did not know this truck/trailer combo could transport Pz. II's.


Photo found online - used here for discussion only.
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 05:40 AM UTC
Good luck on the warp-age correction. That is a tricky subject!

Also, I would think that the trailer COULD be sagging like that due to heavy use and frequent overloading.
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 03:52 AM UTC
Nice!!!
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 03:24 AM UTC
Hi. I did some work today on the Flatbed. Having the truck aside i could replicate the brake drums, all went well. All of a sudden we have a pretty dry interval for the rain season, so tomorrow paint jobs. A lot of resin is begging for paint, so for this moment some pictures of the naked...













Added some brake lines to the drums in the back. Front will follow, but had a nasty surprise the bed for warped somehow. So tomorrow a kind of hot surgery to angle all in line. After that the Flatbed is ready for a primer coat.
Together with a whole lot of other stuff, waiting waiting waiting. Goes from Sidewinders to Sparrows, complete bomb loads for my Phantom, Artillery piece, Holt Tractor, etc.

See you all next time.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 08:04 AM UTC
Message me if you might be interested in those two horses that came with my Stahlfeldwagen? They have etched traces and a saddle that goes with. (You notice your Backanhanger has no place for a driver to sit. Sometimes they would saddle one of the horses and a rider would drive the team that way.)

When I bought the kit I had no intention of using the horses. I was going to pull it with a Blitz or Bussing-Nag and enter it in the truck and trailer campagin.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 04:52 AM UTC
Yes Mike,

All the info and pictures you posted were absolutely helpfull!

I planned to start digging about hitching horses at some point, now I'm sure I understand this part of the design of my subject.

So once again-thanks!

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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 02:58 AM UTC
Angel, I hope all that was some help in detailing you scratch build.

Maarten, we look forward to seeing you work!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 02:27 AM UTC
Nothing to be seen Maarten.
No photo. Nada Noppes.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 12:09 AM UTC

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Good idear to do a scratch build challence.

I also started doing conversions and scratch builds to get model that no one else has.

below some of my builds.



















Hope you like them

All the best
Leon



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ayovtshev
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 12:06 AM UTC
Yes, this is Africa and the poor bakers are sweating

According to KStN1278 the 1939 Bäckerei-Kompanie had a total of 5 Backanhänger in 2 Zugs(2 oven in the 1.Zug, 3 oven in the 2.Zug).
So these are full Kompanies at work:

Courtesy Henry Hoppe

Courtesy Holger Erdmann

Courtesy Henry Hoppe
A Teigknettanhänger(Sd.Ah.35) is visible on the left corner of the last picture.Each Kompanie had one Teigknetter-together with the Maschinensatz 220V,6.5kW generator set, that produced the power to run it-in it's 1.Zug

According to Tankograd Wehrmacht Spezial # 4001 (Deutsche Fahrzeugraritäten 1) on the picture from Arfika is the 1st Kompanie from Bäckerei-Abteilung 554.
Yet there are 7 Backanhänger in operation.

So we either:
-have an additional 1.Zug from another Kompanie joining the 1.Kompanie in backing Kommissbrot,
-or we have an Abteilung, where the 1.Kompanie is oversized(3 instead of 2 Zugs).
-or there is a KStN for Bäckerei-Abteilung, that I am not aware of...

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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 10:39 PM UTC
Found a nice picture of a German Bakery in the desert.



Courtesy of H. Hoppe.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 05:46 PM UTC
Now everything is clear,Mike!
The Backanhaenger has the long tongue:

And the whiffletree to hitch 2 more horses if needed:
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The tongue has a hole on its rear left side, where -once it was installed between the holding brackets in the front frame-a blocking pin was driven:

The holding brackets have wooden planking on their inside-where the tongue was touching- obviously to reduce friction and tear(why wood inside is another enigma solved).
The whiffletree is connected to the hook on the tongue through a central ring, it also has 2 pairs of rings where the traces of each of the horses were connected.

Thanks again!
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 03:01 PM UTC
Hitching diagram from the Riich Stahlfeldwagon:





The Limber from the Tamiya Feldkuche:
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 01:52 AM UTC
Somewhat more massive whiffletree on a PC&F soft cab, Dragon Wagon:


(This item is actually included in the Tamiya kit.)
Mike Koenig photo
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 01:48 AM UTC
Whiffletree assembly on a four horse hitch:
(Possibly more than you ever wanted to know about hitching up wagons and horse tack.)

You might note the horse tongue on the Backanhanger trailer has this same large hook on the front of the tongue to accommodate two more horses when needed. Given that the Backanhanger is mostly just a big, light weight, sheet metal box I doubt four horses were ever required.


Photographer unknown. Horse show photo used here for discussion only.
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 09:47 PM UTC
Thanks Mike!
I was only aware these bars were used for hitching horses-now I know how.
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 06:42 PM UTC
Angel, I wanted to point out a couple of items in your photos of the Backanhanger that you may or may not have noticed:

While the trailer in the photo is currently set up with the metal vehicle towing triangle installed, the whiffletrees (OK, that is what they are called) to hitch the horses to are still in place. Also the tongue to use with the horses is laying on the right fender. Finally the big whiffletree that hooks to the front of the horse tongue when setting up a four horse hitch is stowed on the left rear fender.

I have built the Stahlfeldwagen offered by Riich Models and all these same pieces are stowed on the wagon when the metal vehicle towing triangle is in use.
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 07:13 AM UTC

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Very sorry about that but think of the guys that baked the bread and stoked the fires on this trailer. Rather than being a modeler you are in this case, almost a reenactor!



Your last sentence is what I call the perfect flip-around, Mike