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165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, August 05, 2017 - 08:54 AM UTC
Very nice! Wow, good progress for only four days! You must be burning the midnight oil.
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 01:03 AM UTC
Very nice work Angel.
Do you make drawings? I Like the detail that it is also horse powered.
Elite does a lot of nice models. Seen some on eBay, but a closer look at the site and a build log I came across were not very promising for the quality of the resin. So scratch build will be better I think.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 06:22 AM UTC
Thanks Mike!
Am actualy burning sleep: 40+ Grad Celsius for the last 7 days and counting...modelling room looks straight South, so temperature-wise the only feasible time for hobby was/is early in the morning.
I found out there is no big joy in modeling an oven in a oven-even late in the evening the room is hot like a furnace...
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 06:34 AM UTC
Very sorry about that but think of the guys that baked the bread and stoked the fires on this trailer. Rather than being a modeler you are in this case, almost a reenactor!
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 07:06 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Very nice work Angel.
Do you make drawings? I Like the detail that it is also horse powered.
Elite does a lot of nice models. Seen some on eBay, but a closer look at the site and a build log I came across were not very promising for the quality of the resin. So scratch build will be better I think.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan



Thanks Robert!

I did not do drawings.
I took 20+ picture from different angles, some particularly aimed so as to allow for least distortion.
Then by using the dimensions on LoneSentry and those aimed pictures I calculated the main dimensions of frame,body,chimney and wheels.As these are the most important dimensions-I double checked them using another refference-in this case there were 2 A4 size sheets with info about the oven glued to it's side-the info sucked, but A4 sheet dimensions are internationaly fixed standard, thus a perfect refference.
I do all calculations in Excel-it's easier to keep them and it is handier with all the functions this tool offers.

For detailing I do sketches, adapting the calculated dimensions to what I 've already built and to what the pictures show.
All in all sofar I have used up 3 "Post-it" size sheets for scetches, but this count will grow.

This Backanhaenger was produced in 1940-or at least this is how I read out the production number(PFP-40-124).Our Army back then was just begining it's motorisation, so I am pretty sure it was towed by horses for quite a long time.
AMOF this oven is still functional and I found a record of 3 more pieces counted in Army's inventory as of 2011.

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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 07:13 AM UTC

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Very sorry about that but think of the guys that baked the bread and stoked the fires on this trailer. Rather than being a modeler you are in this case, almost a reenactor!



Your last sentence is what I call the perfect flip-around, Mike


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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 06:42 PM UTC
Angel, I wanted to point out a couple of items in your photos of the Backanhanger that you may or may not have noticed:

While the trailer in the photo is currently set up with the metal vehicle towing triangle installed, the whiffletrees (OK, that is what they are called) to hitch the horses to are still in place. Also the tongue to use with the horses is laying on the right fender. Finally the big whiffletree that hooks to the front of the horse tongue when setting up a four horse hitch is stowed on the left rear fender.

I have built the Stahlfeldwagen offered by Riich Models and all these same pieces are stowed on the wagon when the metal vehicle towing triangle is in use.
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Posted: Sunday, August 06, 2017 - 09:47 PM UTC
Thanks Mike!
I was only aware these bars were used for hitching horses-now I know how.
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 01:48 AM UTC
Whiffletree assembly on a four horse hitch:
(Possibly more than you ever wanted to know about hitching up wagons and horse tack.)

You might note the horse tongue on the Backanhanger trailer has this same large hook on the front of the tongue to accommodate two more horses when needed. Given that the Backanhanger is mostly just a big, light weight, sheet metal box I doubt four horses were ever required.


Photographer unknown. Horse show photo used here for discussion only.
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 01:52 AM UTC
Somewhat more massive whiffletree on a PC&F soft cab, Dragon Wagon:


(This item is actually included in the Tamiya kit.)
Mike Koenig photo
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 03:01 PM UTC
Hitching diagram from the Riich Stahlfeldwagon:





The Limber from the Tamiya Feldkuche:
ayovtshev
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 05:46 PM UTC
Now everything is clear,Mike!
The Backanhaenger has the long tongue:

And the whiffletree to hitch 2 more horses if needed:
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The tongue has a hole on its rear left side, where -once it was installed between the holding brackets in the front frame-a blocking pin was driven:

The holding brackets have wooden planking on their inside-where the tongue was touching- obviously to reduce friction and tear(why wood inside is another enigma solved).
The whiffletree is connected to the hook on the tongue through a central ring, it also has 2 pairs of rings where the traces of each of the horses were connected.

Thanks again!
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Monday, August 07, 2017 - 10:39 PM UTC
Found a nice picture of a German Bakery in the desert.



Courtesy of H. Hoppe.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 12:06 AM UTC
Yes, this is Africa and the poor bakers are sweating

According to KStN1278 the 1939 Bäckerei-Kompanie had a total of 5 Backanhänger in 2 Zugs(2 oven in the 1.Zug, 3 oven in the 2.Zug).
So these are full Kompanies at work:

Courtesy Henry Hoppe

Courtesy Holger Erdmann

Courtesy Henry Hoppe
A Teigknettanhänger(Sd.Ah.35) is visible on the left corner of the last picture.Each Kompanie had one Teigknetter-together with the Maschinensatz 220V,6.5kW generator set, that produced the power to run it-in it's 1.Zug

According to Tankograd Wehrmacht Spezial # 4001 (Deutsche Fahrzeugraritäten 1) on the picture from Arfika is the 1st Kompanie from Bäckerei-Abteilung 554.
Yet there are 7 Backanhänger in operation.

So we either:
-have an additional 1.Zug from another Kompanie joining the 1.Kompanie in backing Kommissbrot,
-or we have an Abteilung, where the 1.Kompanie is oversized(3 instead of 2 Zugs).
-or there is a KStN for Bäckerei-Abteilung, that I am not aware of...

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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 12:09 AM UTC

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Good idear to do a scratch build challence.

I also started doing conversions and scratch builds to get model that no one else has.

below some of my builds.



















Hope you like them

All the best
Leon



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SpeedyJ
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 02:27 AM UTC
Nothing to be seen Maarten.
No photo. Nada Noppes.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 02:58 AM UTC
Angel, I hope all that was some help in detailing you scratch build.

Maarten, we look forward to seeing you work!
ayovtshev
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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 04:52 AM UTC
Yes Mike,

All the info and pictures you posted were absolutely helpfull!

I planned to start digging about hitching horses at some point, now I'm sure I understand this part of the design of my subject.

So once again-thanks!

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Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 - 08:04 AM UTC
Message me if you might be interested in those two horses that came with my Stahlfeldwagen? They have etched traces and a saddle that goes with. (You notice your Backanhanger has no place for a driver to sit. Sometimes they would saddle one of the horses and a rider would drive the team that way.)

When I bought the kit I had no intention of using the horses. I was going to pull it with a Blitz or Bussing-Nag and enter it in the truck and trailer campagin.
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 03:24 AM UTC
Hi. I did some work today on the Flatbed. Having the truck aside i could replicate the brake drums, all went well. All of a sudden we have a pretty dry interval for the rain season, so tomorrow paint jobs. A lot of resin is begging for paint, so for this moment some pictures of the naked...













Added some brake lines to the drums in the back. Front will follow, but had a nasty surprise the bed for warped somehow. So tomorrow a kind of hot surgery to angle all in line. After that the Flatbed is ready for a primer coat.
Together with a whole lot of other stuff, waiting waiting waiting. Goes from Sidewinders to Sparrows, complete bomb loads for my Phantom, Artillery piece, Holt Tractor, etc.

See you all next time.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 03:52 AM UTC
Nice!!!
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 05:40 AM UTC
Good luck on the warp-age correction. That is a tricky subject!

Also, I would think that the trailer COULD be sagging like that due to heavy use and frequent overloading.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 12:52 PM UTC
Photo of possible interest. Did not know this truck/trailer combo could transport Pz. II's.


Photo found online - used here for discussion only.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 01:13 PM UTC
Hi Michael. The Faun was designed for it. After the Blitz they became somewhat obsolete and were moved to other divisions. Most of them were used for transport of supplies behind the line.
Very nice straight forward heavy trucks.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 03:18 PM UTC
Actually Robert, I was referring to the 115 trailer being able to carry the Pz. II.