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Dioramas: Water Effects
Water! A sometimes intimidating effect.
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Omaha Beach vignette
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kurnuy
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 01:06 AM UTC

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Hi, Alexei here. New on forum (but modelling for many years).
You do a lot of diorama's Kurt. Looked at some of them.
Hope I do not offend but it is hard to tell detail on paintwork and models because of the pictures. On this figures I miss shadow and light and i think you build 'out-of-box'. Positions are bit strange (like one man hanging over metal blockade. Seems like with man lying down on rightside of the picture arm does not fit complete.
Perhaps close ups can help.



The guy on the steel obstacle is supposed to be just hit and falling onto it. He is not hanging.
J



First ; You are welcome in my topic Alexei. I'm agree with the comment from Jerry on your reply + The figures are assembled from different boxes so they are no oob or not out of the box build. It took me a while to assemble them properly and found my inspiration from the photos of Robert Capa. He landed with the first wave of troops on Omaha beach with a camera in his hands.

I'm just a diorama builder with very limited skills concerning figure painting . So if you want to know more about figures , please open a thread on the forum figures. The guys over there can tell you a lot more about the subject than i do. Like Jerry Rutman for example. Last but not least , i don't have to teach no one just be inspired of my ideas .

Thanks for your reply Alexei and have fun !And a happy New Year too.
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 01:54 AM UTC
Ah, did not know about your paintingskill. You build a lot so maybe it will improve in time.
As for the shot soldier. He must be shot in the back because he fell to the front. When shot in the front he falls to the back. Gemans in front, americans in the back so was he shot by another GI? Must have been, no blood on front too.
Just noticed.
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 05:31 AM UTC

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Ah, did not know about your paintingskill. You build a lot so maybe it will improve in time.
As for the shot soldier. He must be shot in the back because he fell to the front. When shot in the front he falls to the back. Gemans in front, americans in the back so was he shot by another GI? Must have been, no blood on front too.
Just noticed.



More than likely he was hit by shrapnel from a mortar or a 105mm gun. The majority of battlefield wounds during that war were from indirect fire.
J
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 11:00 AM UTC
Ah. For not being maker of this diorama you have great imagination.
Final dio will show i guess. With close ups i hope.
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 04:27 PM UTC
Happy new year Kurt,

Nice to see progress again on this one - and the towel’s back! You’ve got a great sequence of figures going.

I happened to see a doco on Omaha a few days ago showing how the Germans sank hundreds of stakes into the shallows and strung small mines from each one – the footage I saw didn’t show any of those iron tank obstacles but I’m willing to believe the footage might not all have been of Omaha – I imagine you’ve got the right references anyway. Don’t forget some barnacles, they’d have been in the water for up to a year or more.

The other thing that struck me from footage taken later on June 6th was the number of poor guys who’d drowned under the weight of their equipment (having all been forced to bail too far out) and were just bobbing at the water-line. Your guys were/are the ones who saw what happened and dumped most of it before they jumped off the landing craft…so just wondering about the flame-thrower?

Looking forward to learning how you deal with water effects, especially round the foundering Sherman – maximum degree of difficulty to my mind!

Tim
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 10:20 PM UTC

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Ah. For not being maker of this diorama you have great imagination.
Final dio will show i guess. With close ups i hope.



Just wait and see and you'll need imagination to build dioramas ... no motivation without imagination i guess.

Kurt
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 10:31 PM UTC

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Happy new year Kurt,

Nice to see progress again on this one - and the towel’s back! You’ve got a great sequence of figures going.

I happened to see a doco on Omaha a few days ago showing how the Germans sank hundreds of stakes into the shallows and strung small mines from each one – the footage I saw didn’t show any of those iron tank obstacles but I’m willing to believe the footage might not all have been of Omaha – I imagine you’ve got the right references anyway. Don’t forget some barnacles, they’d have been in the water for up to a year or more.

The other thing that struck me from footage taken later on June 6th was the number of poor guys who’d drowned under the weight of their equipment (having all been forced to bail too far out) and were just bobbing at the water-line. Your guys were/are the ones who saw what happened and dumped most of it before they jumped off the landing craft…so just wondering about the flame-thrower?

Looking forward to learning how you deal with water effects, especially round the foundering Sherman – maximum degree of difficulty to my mind!

Tim



Happy New Year for you too Tim and yours , well the flame-thrower was my first conversion and i'm pretty much happy with the result and i have to keep a variety among the GI's some with - and others without weapons. Okay , let's go !

Kurt
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Posted: Friday, December 30, 2016 - 12:34 AM UTC
Hi Kurt, Inspiration is important. Building dioramas for 30 years now, but in the end the build and figures must be like it could have been and not strange and impossible but maybe it will turn out fine. We'll see.
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