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Posted: Friday, July 26, 2019 - 12:21 AM UTC
Timothy,

Sounds like you are making forward progress on your build. Do you have any photos to share?

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2019 - 07:23 PM UTC
Well, I got the lifts installed on the mizzen yard, and I felt it would be a good thing to try and install the mizzen sail before I got too far along with some of the other rigging. However, when I started to test-fit the sail between the mast & the gaff and spanker, it seems the sail is a little more than an inch (28 mm, to be sorta precise) too long. So I wrote back to HiSmodel.com, and I just got a reply today, in which Radimir (I think that's his name!) says he will make a new sail for me...if I understand his e-mail. I have to write him back, asking he hold off on that undertaking, so that I can take a few pictures and let him know the situation that I'm facing, so whatever actions are taken, we won't have to repeat them.

In other news, I did mix some water and a couple of instant coffee crystals together. I think it was 2 ounces of water, mixed with maybe 3 or 4 individual coffee crystals. I first mixed just 2 crystals with the water, and it didn't really change color; but when I added the next 2 crystals, it turned the water a light brown color - even though it was on the light side of brown, it reminded me of tobacco spit for some reason. I still have to experiment using tea and some tobacco.

Along those same lines, I was looking at pictures of paintings of sailing ships from the 18th & 19th century...to get an idea of how sails might have looked back then. I concluded that in the paintings, the color of the sails seemed to be a result of how the light from the sun was striking them, and a result of how the artist interpreted things. So in other words, not much help!

So as always, thanks to everyone for taking a look at this blog. I hope, too, that everyone is enjoying their summer, and are staying safe & sound.

Tim
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2019 - 12:33 AM UTC

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I thought you have to be a member of crazy town before you could start a build like that....LOL.

Mark



Mark,

No, not really - everyone is so nice here! Plus, they let you come and go as you please!!
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Posted: Sunday, June 09, 2019 - 11:34 AM UTC
I thought you have to be a member of crazy town before you could start a build like that....LOL.

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, June 09, 2019 - 07:33 AM UTC
Hello, and welcome to Crazytown!

Boy, you could go crazy trying to reconcile the differences in belay points (as well as starting points) between Heller's instructions and Longridge's book. In particular, I'm talking about the "mizzen top yard tye", which is listed as line V36 in Heller's instructions. Longridge states that the tye "clinches around topmast head above the rigging, down the mast to a 13" single block on the yard, up through the sheave hole in the hounds of the mast. The lower end is seized around a 13" double block connected by its fall to a 13" single block with a long strop which hooks to an eyebolt on the starboard channel. The fall belays to a cleat on the starboard size of the deck, on the fore side of the main brace cleat" (not the exact quote, but close).

So, going a bit backwards, this is a pic of where Longridge says V36 should belay to:

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And this is a pic of the model, corresponding to the previous pic. I can't use the eyebolt & cleat that Longridge calls for, as it's been used for the rigging on the mizzen horn, and the unused eyebolt & cleat, Heller indicates that that is the location for a single pully, in which a staysail's (sail B7)sheet line gets roved through, and then belayed to the cleat.

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This picture is a close-up of Heller's instructions, which show line V36 starts and stops around the mizzenmast:

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And this pic is Heller's instruction on how the V36 gets rove through some pullies at the topyard:

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So finally, here's the way I constructed the thing. The first picture is down at the poop deck, with the beginning of V36 tied to the strop of p339, which is attached to an eyebolt in the deck:

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And then it goes up into the mast, and roves through 3 blocks - hard to tell in this picure, though.

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And here is V36, after I tied it to block P340:

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And finally, V36 is tied off. I was going to use one of the pins on the fife collard going around the mizzenmast, but I see Heller has it reserved for another line altogether, so I decided to make life easy for myself and just tie it off to a deck eyebolt:

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Now, if you're curious as to how long all this took, I'd say about 80 or 90 minutes - about 60 minutes researching it, 10 minutes making a decision, and the rest was actually installing the line. I broke the installation of the line into 2 parts: last night, I tied it off around the p339 block and let the glue dry overnight, then today, finished putting the thread between the upper (P340) block and the lower block (p339)and getting it tied off. Oh yeah, that time doesn't include time spent preparing the P340 block for attachment.

So for now, I can easily install another line of the mizzen topgallant yard, then start with the topping lifts on the mizzen top yard.

I've also been thinking about "coloring" my sails. I was thinking of taking a set amount of water (like 2 or 4 ounces), adding "x" number of coffee granules (I use instant coffee), then seeing what kind of color that turns out to be. The only downside to that, is that I don't have any spare sail material to spray the coffee-colored liquid onto, so if I go this route, then once I start spraying, I'm gonna be pretty be committed. I suppose I could start with an extremely light colored fluid, and the work my up to a color I like. We'll see.

As always, thanks for tuning in!!
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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2019 - 09:23 AM UTC
Thanks! An extra set of eyes is always handy!
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Posted: Thursday, June 06, 2019 - 01:56 PM UTC
Sweet, they do look nice and level.

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, June 06, 2019 - 12:49 PM UTC
Progress!

After taking an eternity to get the foreyard painted, I finally got around to gluing the mizzen yards to the mast. A bit difficult, as you have to join a cylindrical object (the mast) to another semi-cylindrical object (the yard), but all got glued up, and they all look fairly even in the horizontal plane. Here's a couple of pics:

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And here's a "measuring stick" I made, to get the distance between yards correct (as per Heller's dimensions. The probably with their dimensioning, is that it's from yardarm to yardarm, I think in subsequent measurements, I'll reference things to the mast top.):

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Hope everyone enjoyed Memorial Day.

Tim
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 12:45 PM UTC

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Constant and steady progress, Tim - and what everybody else said, especially about all your rigging - I couldn't do it!! Hats off to you!!

Cheers,

Jan



Thanks, Jan.

Progress note: I'm almost finished painting the main yard, and just today, I cemented the two halves of the main foretop yard. AFter that yardarm is complete, will just have the foreyard to complete, and then it'll be time to attach the yards to the masts. Can't wait!!

Thanks to everyone for looking!
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 12:43 PM UTC

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Impressive work on the Yardarms, they are looking properly seamanlike. I like the tags, great way of keeping track.

vheers

Si



Thanks Si. Yes, using those tags is about the only way of keeping track, plus, they're more readable than looking at Heller's instructions.
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 05:38 AM UTC
Constant and steady progress, Tim - and what everybody else said, especially about all your rigging - I couldn't do it!! Hats off to you!!

Cheers,

Jan
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Posted: Thursday, March 14, 2019 - 09:16 AM UTC
Impressive work on the Yardarms, they are looking properly seamanlike. I like the tags, great way of keeping track.

vheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, March 09, 2019 - 08:55 AM UTC

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Nope, nein, nada, nyet!

I would rather bend 1000 pieces of etch than deal with all that line, pulleys, sails etc.

I really don't know how the sailing ship builders do it. I am in awe of the skill and patience involved to get it all together, organized and looking perfect.

Kudos to you sir!



Thanks, Rory. It's like any other model, just one step at a time.

Patience? I only work on this model for about an hour at a time...anything longer would be considered a marathon! Besides, I've been working on this thing, off and on, for almost 9 years...while I'll be glad when it's finished, I'm not rushing to get it done. Besides, I consider this my "Magnum Opus", so I want to get it right (for a change!)

Myself, I've never done anything with PE, but from the pictures I've seen on this website, those tiny little fragile parts look like a nightmare to cut, bend, and glue! My hat's off to all of you who do that work!

Thanks for stopping by!!
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Posted: Saturday, March 09, 2019 - 08:48 AM UTC

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Timothy,

By the number of pulleys you have to install are you sure you will have enough tags to fill out?......LOL.

Mark



Mark,

If I run out of tags, it'll give me a reason to go the store and spend some money!!
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Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2019 - 06:27 AM UTC
Nope, nein, nada, nyet!

I would rather bend 1000 pieces of etch than deal with all that line, pulleys, sails etc.

I really don't know how the sailing ship builders do it. I am in awe of the skill and patience involved to get it all together, organized and looking perfect.

Kudos to you sir!
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Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2019 - 06:14 AM UTC
Timothy,

By the number of pulleys you have to install are you sure you will have enough tags to fill out?......LOL.

Mark
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 - 12:19 PM UTC
Musings from the treadmill:

I got to thinking how the foreyard & mainyard will have a relatively minor amount of mast-to-yardarm contact, given that those two yardarms are hollow, right where they will attach to the mast. So I came up with the idea of putting a "filler" square on the mainyard (I previously cemented the two halves together, and cut out the space where it will contact the mast):

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Since I haven't put together the foreyard, I glued a piece of sprue on one of the half-pieces:

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And lastly, just a picture of the foretop yard, with all the blocks & footropes installed. The lesson here is, if I'm going to tag all the blocks with what they're for, I should do it after I paint the yardarm!

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I'm closing in on putting the last of the blocks on the main yard - hopefully, I can post a picture of it this weekend.

C u later!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 - 03:47 AM UTC

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...and more rigging madness!!

Keep up the great work, Tim, I continue to admire your patience and enthusiasm to carry your fine build forward, despite quite a few obstacles to overcome!!

Cheers,
Jan



Thanks Jan! Oh yes, the madness continues, but it seems to be getting more enjoyable!

I've got some pics I want to post, but just haven't had the time to get it done - maybe this weekend, so stay tuned!!

Tim
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 09:14 PM UTC
...and more rigging madness!!

Keep up the great work, Tim, I continue to admire your patience and enthusiasm to carry your fine build forward, despite quite a few obstacles to overcome!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2019 - 12:15 PM UTC

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Timothy,

Those are some tiny pulleys. That is a great idea on how to keep the finish masts. I see you marked some pulleys but not others, how come?

Mark



Mark,

Basically, it's because of the number of blocks on the yardarm. The more blocks, the more chance for confusion later on. Just trying to keep myself straight on what's what!
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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2019 - 04:55 AM UTC
Timothy,

Those are some tiny pulleys. That is a great idea on how to keep the finish masts. I see you marked some pulleys but not others, how come?

Mark
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 03:00 PM UTC
Thanks, Steve. Encouragement is always welcome!!

So the latest news: work continues on attaching the blocks to the yardarms. One of the hard things is getting the footropes (or horses) attached, and making the look half-way decent. Since I started making the footropes to be 5 mm down from the yard, I made a form out of sheet plastic, to try and at least get a consistent look. So here's a pic of the form I built, with some thread around it, to try and get the shape correct:

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I had trouble getting one of the footropes to sit correctly, so I wound up making a full-size form for the other footrope (this was on the fore topgallant yard, or the yardarm that sits highest on the mast)(and sorry I didn't get the focal point correct):

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In working on the fore top yard (or, the middle yardarm), this is a 2-piece yard. So in scraping/filing/sanding the mis-match of the two parts, I started to whittle away at the "hole" in the end of the yard. Big mistake!! That hole is there to accept a pin from the stud sail boom. The first pic is of the hole:

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This pic shows how the stud sail boom fits in the hole:

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I found, after I made all the mizzen mast yardarms, that I needed a place to put the completed yard, so I built a stand out of some cardboard, to put the completed yards:

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And lastly, to solve my problem of what to do about the sails, I went ahead and bought a set of cloth sails from hismodel.com...goodness me, a hundred and twenty bucks for the set. But they arrived today, and I'm glad I bought them. Here's some of the sails laid out - starting with the upper right and going clockwise, this is the main top sail, the fore top sail, the main sail, and all the rest of the sails, in one big pile:

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So that's all for now. Thanks for taking a look, and Spring will be here in a month!!
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 01:19 AM UTC
Loving your build. Great work!
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 07:50 PM UTC

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Looks awesome so far! I have to tell you I am jealous of your riggings skills, as I am off all sailing ship builders. I just don't have what it takes to do it.



Thanks, Rory. Doing the rigging, well, it's a love-hate relationship. And Heller's instructions aren't always crystal clear!!
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 04:42 AM UTC
Looks awesome so far! I have to tell you I am jealous of your riggings skills, as I am off all sailing ship builders. I just don't have what it takes to do it.