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Posted: Thursday, January 09, 2020 - 07:54 PM UTC
Mark, Jan, and Russell,

Thanks for your kind words & encouragement.

If I find the time this weekend, I hope to get the majority of the mizzen sails rigged this weekend. Fingers crossed!!

Tim
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Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - 06:51 PM UTC
Well, I really wanted to get the sheet & clew lines strung up today, but before I started, I told myself I should install the buntlines, so that I wouldn't be competing with the other lines for space. So as I was trying to get the buntline between the sail and the yard, and was putting a fair amount of pressure on the yard, I told myself that even with the manipulation I was putting on the yard, it was still attached to the mast.

That thought lasted about 3 seconds.

So yes, the yardarm became detached from the mast, but the buntlines are in place, and I re-glued the yardarm, and stopped for the day, to let the glue cure for 24 hours (it's regular Testor's glue in a tube). So tomorrow, I'll take another stab at getting the sheet & clew lines put in.

I didn't do any work on the ship this past weekend, even though I had hoped to, but I woke up Saturday morning, feeling rather "blah" and hurting all over. And rather than sit at home and wasting the day, I went to the movie theater and saw "1917". Well made movie, got a little sappy at the end, but I'll give it two thumbs up.

More later! And thanks for checking in!

Tim
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Posted: Thursday, January 16, 2020 - 03:49 AM UTC
Tim,

One step forward two steps back, I know the feeling. The crane on my IJN Kirishima build is sitting there without any lines between the pulleys because they kept popping off when I tried to attach the line to the other pulley. After a dozen attempts I reattached the pulleys and said the hell with it and left them be.

Of course I will make another attempt just because I refuse to be beaten--LOL

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, January 16, 2020 - 08:52 PM UTC
[quote

Of course I will make another attempt just because I refuse to be beaten--LOL

Mark [/quote]

That's the spirit!!

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]Tim,

One step forward two steps back, I know the feeling. The crane on my IJN Kirishima build is sitting there without any lines between the pulleys because they kept popping off when I tried to attach the line to the other pulley. After a dozen attempts I reattached the pulleys and said the hell with it and left them be.[/quote]

Are those pulleys for raising and lowering the boom, or are they the lifting pulleys? I took a peek at your blog, the crane looked good!

Tim
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Posted: Friday, January 17, 2020 - 12:24 AM UTC

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Of course I will make another attempt just because I refuse to be beaten--LOL

Mark



That's the spirit!!


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Tim,

One step forward two steps back, I know the feeling. The crane on my IJN Kirishima build is sitting there without any lines between the pulleys because they kept popping off when I tried to attach the line to the other pulley. After a dozen attempts I reattached the pulleys and said the hell with it and left them be.



Are those pulleys for raising and lowering the boom, or are they the lifting pulleys? I took a peek at your blog, the crane looked good!

Tim[/quote]

Tim,

They are for raising and lowering the boom.

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 - 02:47 AM UTC

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Of course I will make another attempt just because I refuse to be beaten--LOL

Mark



That's the spirit!!


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Tim,

One step forward two steps back, I know the feeling. The crane on my IJN Kirishima build is sitting there without any lines between the pulleys because they kept popping off when I tried to attach the line to the other pulley. After a dozen attempts I reattached the pulleys and said the hell with it and left them be.



Are those pulleys for raising and lowering the boom, or are they the lifting pulleys? I took a peek at your blog, the crane looked good!

Tim



Tim,

They are for raising and lowering the boom.

Mark [/quote]

And I think I read the crane is PE? I would think it wouldn't be that difficult, but then, I've never worked with any PE parts.

In other news, I got around to putting some rigging in place on the mizzen mast:

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I started work on the top sail rigging, and I saw that there is another line (A55), that, for lack of a phrase, I'm calling the secondary buntline. The problem here was, the block that this line goes through, was tight against the sail, and I didn't have much room to try to get the thread through it. So I used a short piece of excess thread, and pushed the thread through the block, to use it was a "puller" thread for A55. It took a while to get the excess thread pushed through! But once I got it through, I glued it to the actual thread and managed to pull it through. Here's a couple of pics:

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Sorry that last photo is a bit out of focus. Another hazard I've found is that, when attaching the sail to the yardarm, I managed to get the footrope caught in the thread I used to bend the sail to the yard; in the previous picture, you might be able to see, right around the mast, how the footrope was caught.

See ya soon!
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Posted: Thursday, January 30, 2020 - 04:40 AM UTC
So the current problem is, how far down from the yardarm should the upper pulley be, so that when the hauling line is pulled in, it pulls the buntline up, as well as pulls that upper pulley closer to the fixed pulley, which is down on the mizzen top. The first thing I did was make a diagram as to some of the dimensions.

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(Sorry if it's hard to read!)

So once I got the basic dimensions, I made a test rig for it:

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It looks like the upper pulley should be about 15 - 20 mm below the yardarm (it could probably be more, as I don't think anyone will the know the difference).

And lastly, a close-up of my mark of 83 mm down from the top of the test which is the length of the sail at where the buntline is attached to the sail:

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So now, I just have to go and rig this on the ship.

Cheers!

Tim
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Posted: Thursday, January 30, 2020 - 05:45 AM UTC
Timothy,

You lost me at "buntline", so I wait for the after photos to see how it worked out you... Good luck!

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, February 02, 2020 - 06:57 AM UTC
Tim,

your patience with all the lines and the rigging continues to amaze me. I said it before - I couldn't do it. Great work, keep up your patience and motivation!

Cheers
Jan
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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2020 - 08:36 AM UTC
Tim, your persistence and patience with this model is just amazing!

As Jan said, not something I could do, but I definitely appreciate the high standards you've set here!

She'll be a show piece for sure when completed
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 - 12:37 PM UTC
Thanks Mark, Jan, and Russell.

I took some pictures of the finished buntlines tonight, but for some reason, my PC isn't reading any of the image files, either on the memory stick or on the hard drive. Not sure what the problem is, I just get a cryptic error message.

So I'll post those pix once I get things figured out; the next step will be to prepare the buntline tackle for the mizzen top sail.

Tim
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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 - 01:04 PM UTC

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Thanks Mark, Jan, and Russell.

I took some pictures of the finished buntlines tonight, but for some reason, my PC isn't reading any of the image files, either on the memory stick or on the hard drive. Not sure what the problem is, I just get a cryptic error message.




Do you recall what the error was?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 06:41 AM UTC
B. -

No, I don't recall there being a specific error message, just the error window had the complete path to the image, then something like "system error", and with a large multiple digit negative number (something like "-1234567890"), and nothing more. This happened on images both on my memory stick and on my hard drive. The good news is, this morning, I was able to open an image that was on my desktop, so maybe now, everything's ok...I'll know more later this afternoon, once I get home.

Thanks for asking, and fingers crossed for success!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 12:38 PM UTC
Well hooray! Everything seems to be working again.

So here's the pictures. The first one is of the buntlines themselves, which are on the forward side of the sail, and are used to help haul in the sail (similar to the cluelines [or clewlines] on the back side of the sail. I like the contrast of the brown thread against the white of the sail:

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So once the buntline goes through its respective pulley on the yardarm, it was attached to another pulley. This second pulley, along with a third pulley that I attached to the mizzen top, makes up what is called a "gun tackle", wherein one pulley is fixed, and the other is moveable. So in the next pic, I've marked-up a few things on the upper pulley:

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And this pic shows some details down around the fixed pulley. The approximate distance between the fixed pulley and the moveable pulley is somewhere around 130 mm, or 5.118 (close to 5 and one-eight) inches.

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Unfortunately, in neither of the last 2 photos, can you see where the hauling line of all this stuff is belayed to (or, where it's tied off). Of course, Heller doesn't give any indication, and Longridge writes that it is belayed "to the second lower shroud"...which doesn't help either. So, in this case, I had previously cut some white thread (guestimating its length), and that length wasn't long enough to tie off the end around the fixed pulley, so I just decided to belay about halfway down the upper set of shrouds...that way, it sort of goes along with Longridge, and it gave me a lot of excess thread to tie the knot!

So no,w on to the mizzen topsail buntline stuff, and then on to rigging stuff on the mainmast.

For those of you out in mid-west of the U.S., I hope the storms haven't hit you too hard, and you're keeping yourself safe and warm.

And "The Caine Mutiny" is on TCM right now, so I might finish watching it.

Thanks!!

Tim

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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 02:04 PM UTC
Timothy,

Glad you were able to resolve your issue with the photos.

Now I know what a Buntline is for and why the movable and fix pulleys. It good that you were able to work through the lack of instructions on placement.

The Cain Mutiny is one my favorite Bogart movies.

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2020 - 02:16 AM UTC
Thanks Mark. Heller is just full of a lack of instructions!!