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Tiger 1 Mid Production - Sd.Kfz.181 Ausf E
Thirian24
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 03:27 AM UTC
Hi fellas,

I'm starting my first kit this evening. I will be building this tiger OOB. My main goal here is to get into the swing of things. Like assembly, but mostly painting and weathering. I won't be apply Zimmerit to this kit.

My real question here is, when I assembly this Tiger, do I go ahead and assembly the entire tank with the supplied tie cables, hammers and shovels, paint the entire tank and then go over the small things in detail? Or add them later after painting the detail?

Also, this kit seems to have two gun barrels, but the instructions mention nothing. What's the details here? I guess I should mention this is Tamiya 35194.

Any other advice and tips for this kit/build would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Dustin
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 04:32 AM UTC
I assemble everthing,tools,cables,all except the wheels,tracks and antennas,then I carefully handpaint them on the tank.I mask with small post-its.

But hey,thats my preference,whatever feels right for you.
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 04:44 AM UTC
Hey Dustin,
Get five guys in a room and you'll get five different answers! I like to add everything and then paint the details with a mask made from a small piece of paper slipped under the tool or tow cable in question. Good luck with your Tiger, sorry I can't help with which barrel to use, maybe someone else has an idea?

Cheers,
Rick
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 05:55 AM UTC
What ever you feel confidant with , you are after all going to be the one doing the work so you know what your are capable of .
Thirian24
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 07:51 AM UTC
Thank you for the great advice fellas! That sounds like an easy way to get those items painted without getting paint on the upper hull.

I made some great headway this evening, between taking care of my three kiddos while my lovely wife was at work.

How does one upload photos? I'd like to show my progress.

Cheers,
Dustin
Tojo72
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 07:08 PM UTC

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I assemble everthing,tools,cables,all except the wheels,tracks and antennas,then I carefully handpaint them on the tank.I mask with small post-its.


This is the correct answer although I apply antennas as part of the main assembly. You are wrong though about "whatver feels rights to you."



Hey chief,what do you mean I'm wrong.Advice is advce,you take or leave it.Like another poster stated,others do it diffrent,are they wrong ? The OP has to listen,and evaluate what is right for him.
Tojo72
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 07:28 PM UTC

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Hey chief,what do you mean I'm wrong.Advice is advce,you take or leave it.Like another poster stated,others do it diffrent,are they wrong ? The OP has to listen,and evaluate what is right for him.



There are right and wrong ways to do things. By qualifying your advice so tentatively, you are suggesting its ok to do it otherwise, even though almost all modelling gurus implore otherwise and that there are significant drawbacks to painting tools as subassembleis--with some important exceptions as I outline.
As I wrote, that sort of mentality is also likely to suggest to newbies they really do not need to get and learn how to use an airbrush, wasting their time and money until such time they suffer less than acceptable results and break down and get an airbrush.
A message board soliciting and offering advice should offer advice--not tell people its fine to do it however they want.



Yeah whatever.Unless I'm talking to you,then don't concern yourself with my conversations with others.
Tojo72
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 07:34 PM UTC

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Yeah whatever.Unless I'm talking to you,then don't concern yourself with my conversations with others.



To the contrary, I will do as I please, within the forum rules and guidelines, of course.



Okay chief
Thirian24
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 07:52 PM UTC
I appreciate the advice F.W.

This kit can be build as Tiger 131, which did not have Zimmerit, correct?

I just recently was laid off of work and thought I'd build some armor with my free time. I don't currently have the resources to buy and air brush.

I do need to buy some putty and Zimmerit tool though, as I do plan to build other kits that require that.

Am I wrong on Tiger 131?
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Thirian24
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 08:19 PM UTC
Sorry, I stated the kit number in my first post.

It's Tamiya 35194
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 08:39 PM UTC
Dustin as this is your first kit a few things to keep in mind. 1-Enjoy and have fun. 2-Enjoy and have fun. 3-Enjoy and have fun. Don't get bogged down in all the details of this model or that variant or that specific vehicle. A hobby is supposed to be a relaxing and enjoyable pastime designed to help relieve stress not increase it by fretting over whether or not your first kit is going to be an exact replica of the original. Despite what others are saying about accuracy, the need to make corrections, airbrush, etc., I would wager to say that when they first started they were not concerned about these things and that they built quite a few kits before they even started thinking about them. For now just enjoy the build and develop your skills. If you find that you want to pursue modelling more seriously then you can concentrate on acquiring more advanced tools, an airbrush, extensive research library, etc. Things can get quite expensive and you don't want to end up with a bunch of stuff if you decide that scale modelling isn't right for you. Remember the most important rule is to enjoy and have fun and the critics be damned!
Thirian24
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 08:52 PM UTC

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Dustin as this is your first kit a few things to keep in mind. 1-Enjoy and have fun. 2-Enjoy and have fun. 3-Enjoy and have fun. Don't get bogged down in all the details of this model or that variant or that specific vehicle. A hobby is supposed to be a relaxing and enjoyable pastime designed to help relieve stress not increase it by fretting over whether or not your first kit is going to be an exact replica of the original. Despite what others are saying about accuracy, the need to make corrections, airbrush, etc., I would wager to say that when they first started they were not concerned about these things and that they built quite a few kits before they even started thinking about them. For now just enjoy the build and develop your skills. If you find that you want to pursue modelling more seriously then you can concentrate on acquiring more advanced tools, an airbrush, extensive research library, etc. Things can get quite expensive and you don't want to end up with a bunch of stuff if you decide that scale modelling isn't right for you. Remember the most important rule is to enjoy and have fun and the critics be damned!



Thank you for that advice, sir!

That's exactly what I need to be doing, and I think this kit and some thereafter will be a great learning experience.

Thanks for all the advice fellas!

Cheer,
Dustin
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 09:13 PM UTC

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Unless I'm talking to you,then don't concern yourself with my conversations with others.



But it's not a conversation.
It's posts on a shared message board.
And there's a person who sets the rules for the board, and I don't believe that person wears your underpants.
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 09:14 PM UTC

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Hey Dustin,

If you want to stick with the mid tiger, id like to suggest a subject matter that may interest you--the 506th. The unit's emblem features a tiger over a big W. And I believe it had some of the Sept zimmeritless tigers (Byrden may correct me, I am operating from memory).
Complete accuracy would require some tweaks, but from a distance and to everyone who does not obsess over such things, you'd have a nice facsimile of a 506th tiger that you can enjoy building, learn from and take pride int.



So that would basically just require to purchase a new decale set?
Thirian24
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2015 - 09:17 PM UTC
Also, what about the two barrels in this kit?

The directions mention nothing. They are both a two piece, are they even worthy of messing with? I know I said I'd be building this OOB, but I don't want the barrel(a main focal point) to look awkward.

How much are metal barrels? Where can I purchase one at?

Cheers,
Dustin
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