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Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Sd.kfz.7/1 Flakvierling
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 09:05 AM UTC
Please excuse this intrusion . . .

I would just like to interject that both these gentlemen deal with a very large number of hobby related requests, questions and communications each day. I know for me it would be easy to get the various inquiries confused and to loose track of just what had been promised in each case.

You are doing some fabulous work here and I for one as a fellow subscriber, would love to see it taken to completion.

I have no personal involvement in any of this but I ask that you give everyone the benefit of the doubt in these issues.

Best Regards

Mike Koenig
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 04:34 PM UTC

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So, as part of this build I was planning on weathering it with the Mig Ammo Vehicle weathering set but that's not going to happen.

I originally planned to obtain a sample of this set from Darren Baker and Jim Starkweather when Jim announced the set available for review in his August Mail call video. In fact I contacted Darren Baker on August 5th and explained to him when he replied that I would do a build review of the product that would be part of this build log. After waiting weeks and weeks for a response he finally got back to me with the sample reply. Talk to Jim Starkweather which I thought was kind of rude. I proceeded to contact Jim and again after another bout of the "round around" I finally got a response the end of last month! with a complete circular question of "what do you want to do with it" This after already telling me he was going to send the product to me.

In disgust I sent Jim a copy of the email I sent Darren Baker back in August explaining why I wanted it.

As I told Jim my time is more valuable than something like this and I am not going to ask again. Needless to say there has been no response from Jim Starkweather. You know It's not like I was asking for a 1/32 scale Tamiya Aircraft or latest Dragon kit as a sample which, not usually, seem to go to the same people over and over again.

This is just simply disingenuous behavior by both Darren Baker and Jim Starkweather. There is no contradiction of events here as I have the emails outlining what I just said.

Understandably, I cancelled my Kitmaker subscriptin and will not be doing build logs on this site anymore. You can catch me on Facebook and other modeling sites from here on out for build logs.







I am sorry that you feel my reply to you was rude as it was not intended; basically I receive so many E-mails from members and companies that I keep replies short and to the point. Your decision to cancel your membership and cease any further content on the KitMaker Network is a matter for yourself, and one I am not going to get involved in.

In our defence Jim very rarely sends replies to E-mails as he has even less time than I. At the moment I know that he is busy with his wife who is ill. I do know that he intended to send the samples requested to you as he had asked me about it and I had confirmed I would like it to go to you; however I will contact him and request that he cancel that due to the decision you have taken.

In my defence I would ask you to remember that this position is a voluntary role and is not a paid position. This means I have to balance the needs of a network that would easily take 8 hours out of my day every day with my paid employment and family life. I also freely admit that due to a medical condition that has been recently diagnosed both my time and attention has been somewhere else and so the site has suffered somewhat due to this situation.
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 05:29 PM UTC
This is unfortunate on a number of levels, the least of which was that I was really enjoying this blog and finding it instructive.

I don't need to re-hash what Michael and Darren have very rightly stated, but I will highlight (hopefully as a matter of edification to those willing to take it as such) a couple of things of which Dave, in his frustration, seems to have temporarily lost sight:

1) A lot gets lost in translation when using e-mail as the primary means of communication, not to mention e-mails themselves getting lost in either the ether or the inbox. I speak from personal experience when I say great care must be exercised in choosing to read a malicious intent into anything that could be interpreted in different ways.

2) While it may be worth informing the community at large of a business that consistently fails to meet expectations, it does nobody any good (and in fact causes the most damage to the initiator) to launch this kind of personally-directed vitriol into a public forum when the targets of said vitriol are providing a service in exchange for nothing other than the good will of the community they support.

3) Modeling is supposed to be about fun, and Kitmaker is supposed to be about promoting and sharing that fun. This is entirely antithetical to that notion.

4) It is an axiom of sound leadership that one should praise in public and punish in private. By extension, if someone has an issue with the way this network is being administered that should be addressed privately--there's nothing to be gained going about it this way.

I could finish with something like, "Shame on you, Dave," but I would like to think that after some reflection and introspection he will repent of his brief fit of distemper, make his amends with Jim and Darren, and continue to contribute as the valued and respected member of Kitmaker Network that he has been in the past.

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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 05:53 PM UTC
To be fair I can understand fully both sides, sometimes things just happen. I can understand that if you were waiting weeks for something that held up your build even though you were trying to help the site/community and that you find out its not going to happen that could be frustrating.
I also understand that people don't get paid to help out on this site and I am sure they try to do the best they can........or else I sure they wouldn't bother doing it at all.
Sometimes things don't go as planned..................and your allowed to be frustrated or pissed off..............as I could be as well, but I don't think it was intended that way.
So if you feel like it sometime, come back and finish it here, as I would like to see it
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 06:18 PM UTC
I should point out to members that Dave has done nothing wrong and this is a case of both Jim and I having our minds and eyes on other things.
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 07:59 PM UTC
Dave,
I'm glad to see we haven't lost you, although to echo Peter's comment, it would be a shame not to get to see this build through. I would hope that knowing what we all know now, we might be able to get back to an amicable 'status quo ante'.

I totally get your point about lack of communication, and have experienced a similar sense of frustration (although not necessarily with the KMN community) many times myself. But my counterpoint to that goes back to my first point in my previous post. Since we can't know what is going on in the mind of our intended recipient we have to be very careful how we choose to respond. In this case, a private e-mail to Jim and Darren might have been better suited than a public blast in the forums. Even though Darren has graciously affirmed that you have done nothing wrong, as a member of this community (and thus an intended recipient of your post) I have to confess I found your choice of words to be in places rather inflammatory.

Not trying to continue the fight here; just hoping we can all walk away the wiser for the experience.

And so nobody thinks I consider my own self beyond reproach, I will confess I learned through very hard and direct experience to never hit the SEND button when angry (which wisdom I expect applies equally to online posts).

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Posted: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 - 06:02 AM UTC

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This is unfortunate on a number of levels, the least of which was that I was really enjoying this blog and finding it instructive.

I don't need to re-hash what Michael and Darren have very rightly stated, but I will highlight (hopefully as a matter of edification to those willing to take it as such) a couple of things of which Dave, in his frustration, seems to have temporarily lost sight:

1) A lot gets lost in translation when using e-mail as the primary means of communication, not to mention e-mails themselves getting lost in either the ether or the inbox. I speak from personal experience when I say great care must be exercised in choosing to read a malicious intent into anything that could be interpreted in different ways.

2) While it may be worth informing the community at large of a business that consistently fails to meet expectations, it does nobody any good (and in fact causes the most damage to the initiator) to launch this kind of personally-directed vitriol into a public forum when the targets of said vitriol are providing a service in exchange for nothing other than the good will of the community they support.

3) Modeling is supposed to be about fun, and Kitmaker is supposed to be about promoting and sharing that fun. This is entirely antithetical to that notion.

4) It is an axiom of sound leadership that one should praise in public and punish in private. By extension, if someone has an issue with the way this network is being administered that should be addressed privately--there's nothing to be gained going about it this way.

I could finish with something like, "Shame on you, Dave," but I would like to think that after some reflection and introspection he will repent of his brief fit of distemper, make his amends with Jim and Darren, and continue to contribute as the valued and respected member of Kitmaker Network that he has been in the past.





Couldn't have said it better myself, Mark. Well put
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Posted: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 - 06:03 AM UTC
[quote]Dave,
I'm glad to see we haven't lost you, although to echo Peter's comment, it would be a shame not to get to see this build through. I would hope that knowing what we all know now, we might be able to get back to an amicable 'status quo ante'.

I totally get your point about lack of communication, and have experienced a similar sense of frustration (although not necessarily with the KMN community) many times myself. But my counterpoint to that goes back to my first point in my previous post. Since we can't know what is going on in the mind of our intended recipient we have to be very careful how we choose to respond. In this case, a private e-mail to Jim and Darren might have been better suited than a public blast in the forums. Even though Darren has graciously affirmed that you have done nothing wrong, as a member of this community (and thus an intended recipient of your post) I have to confess I found your choice of words to be in places rather inflammatory.

Not trying to continue the fight here; just hoping we can all walk away the wiser for the experience.

And so nobody thinks I consider my own self beyond reproach, I will confess I learned through very hard and direct experience to never hit the SEND button when angry (which wisdom I expect applies equally to online posts).

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...and...ditto
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 06:26 AM UTC
I don't have the time to post this build on multiple sites/ blogs.
I have consolidated this build to the following places on the net.

For this build please go to:

http://modelerssocialclub.proboards.com/thread/10303/2cm-flakvierling-38-early-kfz

My site: Still a work in progress

http://ghmicro.wixsite.com/twis-first-cut

Revised Blog Site: Now BW Scale Models

https://bwscalemodels.blogspot.ca

Cheers,
David.
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