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Panda M-ATV build and improvements
rmadfire1
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Posted: Friday, February 17, 2012 - 02:20 AM UTC
I purchased the Panda kit a few months ago, I know it has a lot of inaccuracies but for some reason its still a fun kit to build. Im glad someone is taking the time and energy to point out the flaws just that in itself is a pain in the butt. Anyone out there who is interested in building this kit and is leery of the kit, dont be. With a little time and patients it does build into a nice kit.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 - 10:14 AM UTC

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Nigel;
I don't know about everyone else but when you are done a solid all inclusive list of all the errors and changes would be welcome by me. Cheers.



I'll second that. It would be most welcomed!!!
WilliamDeCicco
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 - 09:57 AM UTC
I ordered mine from over seas for a good price but now I think I'll wait till there is a few build logs to follow with the mistakes are show on them so I have something to follow.

Happy modeling
William DeCicco
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 - 09:35 AM UTC
Nigel;
I don't know about everyone else but when you are done a solid all inclusive list of all the errors and changes would be welcome by me. Cheers.
gloucesternige
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 - 09:16 AM UTC
Today i have been working on the interior, and have made the etch frames for stowage. I have also found more errors in the manual.

This kit is driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!

I'll post pics tomorrow.

Nige
gloucesternige
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 08:22 AM UTC
Hi all,

Just found another error in the kit instructions, step One. The link between the two steering arms is labelled as part C32, when it is in fact E5.

Parts C32 are the track control arms for the steering.

I will also post more info soon on the PE frets. There are mis-numbered parts and parts which are missing from the instructions. There is also a load of bracketry to go into the interior roof, which is not shown in the manual either!!

Regards

Nige
Dimitar
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 06:36 AM UTC
Yep, and it's nice to see it included as a kit part.
gloucesternige
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 05:58 AM UTC



Thanks for that Dimitar. So, it is indeed a fire extinguisher then...

Nige
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 05:53 AM UTC
Red is always good:
http://www.armorama.com/photos/feature/4093/1__46_.jpg
gloucesternige
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 05:49 AM UTC
Thanks for responding Damon, you asked, I delivered apparently??

Here's a little more progress....



Thank heavens for mr Surfacer!! Note the brass rod replacement for the platic pipework. I assume this is a fire extinguisher? What colour would the tank be painted?

Following a dusting with some dark earth, just to check all the seams...



I'm trying to make the suspension units look like thy're bolted to the chassis, rather than sunk in.

Thanks for looking in.

Nige
didgeboy
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 03:26 AM UTC
Nigel;
bravo. that is one of the best and most concise tutorials I have seen yet. Cheers.
junglejim
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 06:50 AM UTC

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no shock, just spring.


OK, thanks Steve. Always thought a coil spring suspension would have a shock or strut in there to provide support. Guess the spring is rigid enough not to need one, hence the separate shock on the other side. Looked a bit more into that TAK-4 suspension and it sounds pretty good.
You are correct Nigel

Jim
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 06:31 AM UTC
Superb woks.
gloucesternige
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 05:38 AM UTC
I've been making some slow and painful progress on this kit. It seems that every single part has fit issues, large seam lines and most have flash!!

I found out that the holes for the driveshafts in the Diffs are too big at the rear and too small at the front, so one had to be sleeved, and one had to be drilled out.



Here's the frame starting to come together. Look closely and you'll see the copious use of Mr Surfacer in ejector pin marks and poor fits.



I've used steel braid from littlecars.com for the winch rope. There is a hook, part E17 which I think is spare, and not mentioned in the manual, so I'm gonna use it on the winch cable.

As much as I moan about the build, it is becoming clear that this will be a lovely model when finished. In my opinion, much nicer than the Kinetic kit??

Nige
gloucesternige
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 05:29 AM UTC
Thanks for that picture Steve. I was correct then.

A few of you have asked for an article on making the springs, so here you go....

First of all, wrap the correct diameter of wire around the correct sized tube. I've used 4.5mm tube and 1mm wire. Make sure the coils are tight up to each other, and keep the tension tight.



Now select the number of coils you require, and snip the ends off to give the correct number.



Now file or sand the ends of the "Tail" flat. About half of the wire diameter is ample.



Now it's time to stretch the spring, but to keep it all square, use two blades or metal strips as shown here. You can use your fingers, but the results are better this way.



And, viola... one finished spring. You may want to tweak the ends wioth some pliers or tweezers to get the seat dead right. This is my first attempt, so there's no reason why you can't do it too!!



To get the spring seat, you need to cut the end off, sand it flat and add a small length of the tube you used to make the spring as a locator.



I hope this gets you all having a go at this, it's easy!!

Regards

Nige
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 05:25 AM UTC
The shock is the tube behind the spring. Go back to the top of the page and look at the first photos - you'll see the shock as the tube parallel to the spring.


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No shock, just spring.


TacticalSquirrel
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 02:12 AM UTC

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I agree the springs look good, but I think there should be a shock absorber within the spring? I'm tackling the Kinetic suspension right now and I'll be doing the same thing. Looks like the Panda parts are more detailed with regard to mounting bolt heads and such.

Jim



I don't think there's a shiocker in the spring Jim, however, if you have pictorial evidence, feel happy to prove me wrong.

I looked over the Kinetic kit yesterday, and to be honest, wasn't impressed. In my opinion the Panda is far superior in the detail department, however, it's a nightmare build!!!

Nige



No shock, just spring.

gloucesternige
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 10:54 PM UTC

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I agree the springs look good, but I think there should be a shock absorber within the spring? I'm tackling the Kinetic suspension right now and I'll be doing the same thing. Looks like the Panda parts are more detailed with regard to mounting bolt heads and such.

Jim



I don't think there's a shiocker in the spring Jim, however, if you have pictorial evidence, feel happy to prove me wrong.

I looked over the Kinetic kit yesterday, and to be honest, wasn't impressed. In my opinion the Panda is far superior in the detail department, however, it's a nightmare build!!!

Nige
gloucesternige
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 10:38 PM UTC
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Nice job !!
Finally its better and faster to say what is right in this notice !!!! LoL!!!! [/quote]

Sorry Pascal, I don't know what you mean???

Nige
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 06:31 PM UTC
Great work and attention to detail, thanks for sharing.

Joe
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 04:19 PM UTC
I agree the springs look good, but I think there should be a shock absorber within the spring? I'm tackling the Kinetic suspension right now and I'll be doing the same thing. Looks like the Panda parts are more detailed with regard to mounting bolt heads and such.

Jim
gloucesternige
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 12:23 PM UTC

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Nigel
Nice springs, looks great. Please add technological process springs made.
Sure it will help many modelers.
Miloslav



I will add the process I use for making the springs tomorrow. I should have added it today, but I was at a Model show all day.

Regards

Nigel
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 10:41 PM UTC
Nigel, thank you for your very informative posts. I'll keep following your build closely.

Now, how come the manufacturer screws up so much? Just a few steps into the build and already there're many blatant errors in the instruction. Don't they have some kind of quality control?

Cheers
bulivyf
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 08:37 PM UTC
Nigel
Nice springs, looks great. Please add technological process springs made.
Sure it will help many modelers.
Miloslav
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 10:32 AM UTC
I've always used a screw that is closest to the size of the spring. Just wrap the wire between the threads of the screw then cut with wire cutters to height of spring.