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Panda M-ATV build and improvements
gloucesternige
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 03:30 PM GMT+7
Hello all,

This kit has been in my stash for a couple of weeks, screaming "build me!!"

So, I thought I'd have a little go at it, and move between this and my M1070 Tractor unit. I can tell you, working on this kit after a Month of working on my Hobby Boss M1000 trailer is not easy!!

The couple of dry fitted parts that follow have taken quite a few hours. Nothing fits, everything is flashed and the instructions are in error.

This is the rear right unit.


You'll notice the spring is horrible, though workable, so i thought I'd try and improve things a little??


I think it looks a lot better. I've made the spring with copper wire.

I've marked up my instruction manual, and photographed it to show you the errors in section 2. please don't sue me Panda, I just want to show my discovery of your error.



As a closing point, I LOVE this kit!! I thoroughly enjoy struggling with these difficult kits, they're so much more fun than shake and bake kits.

Thanks for looking

Nige
didgeboy
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 03:35 PM GMT+7
Nigel;
The two shots of the spring, are those not the same shot? If I am missing something please let me know, but they look almost identical. Have you seen Pascal's M-ATV build log? He put up some nice work and I am hoping that between his and yours I can make mine at least look acceptable. Cheers and looking forward to this one, your M1070 has been brilliant.
henkp
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 03:36 PM GMT+7
nice build so for whats the diameter from that copper wire
looks beter than the plastic one
henk
gloucesternige
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 04:26 PM GMT+7

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Nigel;
The two shots of the spring, are those not the same shot? If I am missing something please let me know, but they look almost identical. Have you seen Pascal's M-ATV build log? He put up some nice work and I am hoping that between his and yours I can make mine at least look acceptable. Cheers and looking forward to this one, your M1070 has been brilliant.



Damon,

You're too quick!! I did actually upload the same pic twice, then edited to show the correct pic. Please look again. Oh, and I haven't built my M1070...yet, just the M1000.

Henk,

The copper wire is 1mm diameter, from Littlecars.com


Nige



bulivyf
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 04:46 PM GMT+7
Nigel,
Springs looks great.
Miloslav
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 05:48 PM GMT+7
i just recieved my panda m-atv i made notes on step 2 anything else i should know about this kits instructions?
gloucesternige
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 07:04 PM GMT+7

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i just recieved my panda m-atv i made notes on step 2 anything else i should know about this kits instructions?



To be honest I don't know?? I've only got as far as you can see in the pics. I'm sure there are more errors.

Nige
gloucesternige
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 07:05 PM GMT+7

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Nigel,
Springs looks great.
Miloslav



Thanks Milo. I wish someone would produce an Engine for this kit. I found some pics on Google images, and the V8 fitted to it looks lovely.

Nige
didgeboy
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 07:33 PM GMT+7
Ok that looks SWEET now! Wow very impressive. I consider the whole thing the M1070, as it all comes in one box.
Cheers, looking forward to more of this.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 07:50 PM GMT+7

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I wish someone would produce an Engine for this kit. I found some pics on Google images, and the V8 fitted to it looks lovely.



Actually, the M-ATV uses a 7.2 liter inline-6 cylinder Caterpillar C7 turbodiesel. I agree that a resin engine for it would look great though.
gloucesternige
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 02:35 PM GMT+7
Here's an update on my work with htis kit.

All four suspension units are now done, with their custom springs.



All the arms are dry fitted in place, so I can fix everything when the chassis is finished to ensure she sits level. basically it's gonna sit on the shocks, with the springs just there for show.

This is no weekend build!! There's about 7 hours work there in that picture!!!

I also found some more errors in the manual, so here's a picture, done as before with red pen. This is the front suspension unit assembly guide.
If you find this useful, please let me know.



Thanks for looking

Nige
HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 03:05 PM GMT+7
Wow, some glaring errors ther. Yes, the corrections to the instructions are very, very, very usefull. Please keep them coming.

Your suspension units look great. I really like the look of the springs.
pascalbausset
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 03:08 PM GMT+7

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Here's an update on my work with htis kit.

I also found some more errors in the manual, so here's a picture, done as before with red pen. This is the front suspension unit assembly guide.
If you find this useful, please let me know.



Thanks for looking

Nige


Nice job !!
Finally its better and faster to say what is right in this notice !!!! LoL!!!!
didgeboy
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 03:53 PM GMT+7
Since no one else has asked it I am going to ask the 64,000 dollar (or who's the biggest idiot) question, how DID you make that spring? I understand that it is 1mm copper wire, but can you show your work, i.e. what did you wrap it around (how big what THAT diameter) and get it formed correctly? CHeers.
Hisham
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 04:15 PM GMT+7
Actually, Damon, I wanted to ask that same question

Hisham
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 05:32 PM GMT+7
I've always used a screw that is closest to the size of the spring. Just wrap the wire between the threads of the screw then cut with wire cutters to height of spring.
bulivyf
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 03:37 AM GMT+7
Nigel
Nice springs, looks great. Please add technological process springs made.
Sure it will help many modelers.
Miloslav
Canjuaan
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 05:41 AM GMT+7
Nigel, thank you for your very informative posts. I'll keep following your build closely.

Now, how come the manufacturer screws up so much? Just a few steps into the build and already there're many blatant errors in the instruction. Don't they have some kind of quality control?

Cheers
gloucesternige
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 07:23 PM GMT+7

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Nigel
Nice springs, looks great. Please add technological process springs made.
Sure it will help many modelers.
Miloslav



I will add the process I use for making the springs tomorrow. I should have added it today, but I was at a Model show all day.

Regards

Nigel
junglejim
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 11:19 PM GMT+7
I agree the springs look good, but I think there should be a shock absorber within the spring? I'm tackling the Kinetic suspension right now and I'll be doing the same thing. Looks like the Panda parts are more detailed with regard to mounting bolt heads and such.

Jim
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 01:31 AM GMT+7
Great work and attention to detail, thanks for sharing.

Joe
gloucesternige
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 05:38 AM GMT+7
[/quote]
Nice job !!
Finally its better and faster to say what is right in this notice !!!! LoL!!!! [/quote]

Sorry Pascal, I don't know what you mean???

Nige
gloucesternige
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 05:54 AM GMT+7

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I agree the springs look good, but I think there should be a shock absorber within the spring? I'm tackling the Kinetic suspension right now and I'll be doing the same thing. Looks like the Panda parts are more detailed with regard to mounting bolt heads and such.

Jim



I don't think there's a shiocker in the spring Jim, however, if you have pictorial evidence, feel happy to prove me wrong.

I looked over the Kinetic kit yesterday, and to be honest, wasn't impressed. In my opinion the Panda is far superior in the detail department, however, it's a nightmare build!!!

Nige
TacticalSquirrel
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 09:12 AM GMT+7

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Quoted Text

I agree the springs look good, but I think there should be a shock absorber within the spring? I'm tackling the Kinetic suspension right now and I'll be doing the same thing. Looks like the Panda parts are more detailed with regard to mounting bolt heads and such.

Jim



I don't think there's a shiocker in the spring Jim, however, if you have pictorial evidence, feel happy to prove me wrong.

I looked over the Kinetic kit yesterday, and to be honest, wasn't impressed. In my opinion the Panda is far superior in the detail department, however, it's a nightmare build!!!

Nige



No shock, just spring.

VintageRPM
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 12:25 PM GMT+7
The shock is the tube behind the spring. Go back to the top of the page and look at the first photos - you'll see the shock as the tube parallel to the spring.


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No shock, just spring.