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M.A.S. 568 4a Serie
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 06:58 AM UTC
Here's a crew shot from MAS E MEZZI9 D'ASSALTO DI SUPERFICIE ITALIANI.


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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 07:41 AM UTC
[quote A photo of MAS 536 in I MAS shows the same pattern and what appears to be the same patch below the cockpit.
Al Ross[/quote]

Nope, I'm wrong; it's not a patch nor a flipped negative. I went back and looked at more photos in MAS E MEZZI... and discovered this photo:



Although it doesn''t appear on the drawings nor photos of most of the other boats in this group, MAS 536 has a rub-strake and, for some reason, they stopped the pattern at the strake in that location.

The rub strake application is a bit of a mystery. I thought it might be associated with a particular builder, but found examples of boats with and without the strake from the same builders. Although a Baglietto design, 536 was built by Pinchiotti; 539, also built by Pinchiotti, does not show a strake. 540, built by Celli has one.

It would be interesting to see if there are any photos of a given boat with and without the strake.

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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 03:46 PM UTC
Does anyone know of any online retailers who are selling this kit?

Thanks.

Brian
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 04:18 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Does anyone know of any online retailers who are selling this kit?

Thanks.

Brian



Among others www.whiteensignmodels.com

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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 05:32 PM UTC
Thanks Al . . . I was hoping for a U.S. retailer though.

Brian
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Posted: Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 09:03 PM UTC
Morning Al and GArth,

Thanks for the replies folks and the informaion.

These camo schemes should make for some interesting finishes.

Al
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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 02:22 AM UTC
I was just going by what I was told by the Italian Navy's historical archives, take what I said whichever way you'd like Mr. Ross. I just offered my comment as a helpful hint - no more than that, I was not setting it in stone as gospel as others do.

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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 09:55 AM UTC
One of the more prominent items on these boats was the 20/65 BREDA. If you're looking to super-detail the one in the kit, there is a detailed 1/25 scale drawing of the unit in MAS E MEZZI D'ASSALTO DE SUPERFICIE ITALIANI.

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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 08:31 PM UTC
Thanks again Al. I've built the Italeri 20mm for a LRDG truck, it's quite a nice little kit. I'd like to go OOB as much as possible, but will wait a while to see what AM stuff becomes available.

My limited exerience of PE tells me that sometimes it can add a lot to a kit and others it just replaces perfectly good plastic parts.

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 01:44 PM UTC
The April and May 2004 issues of "Storia Militare" have an article by Bqagnasco on the MAS 500 series with lots of photos and profile drawings. Well worth a look.

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Posted: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 12:40 AM UTC
Thanks Al,

Can you access these on Line by any chance?

Al
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Posted: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 05:07 AM UTC

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Can you access these on Line by any chance?
Al



I don't know; haven't tried. A google search for Erminio Bagnasco may be fruitful.

Al
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 04:18 AM UTC
Hi Al,

Yes, good point.

Al
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Posted: Friday, January 07, 2011 - 05:23 AM UTC
Happy New year to you all! I am new to this post but I have found it very intresting and informative on historic as well as technical subjects.
As far as the newest Italeri MAS boat and all things" Italian" I can offer my ability to translate fromr/to italian into english... Have a great Day.
Mark
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Posted: Saturday, January 08, 2011 - 02:36 AM UTC
I wish I had known about you and your ability about two years ago Marco. It would have made my task a heck of a lot more easier.

Garth
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Posted: Sunday, January 09, 2011 - 12:10 AM UTC

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Happy New year to you all! I am new to this post but I have found it very intresting and informative on historic as well as technical subjects.
As far as the newest Italeri MAS boat and all things" Italian" I can offer my ability to translate fromr/to italian into english... Have a great Day.
Mark



Hi Marco,

Thank you for your kind offer, appreciated.

Al
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Posted: Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 10:03 AM UTC
Hello everyone, Still waiting for my kit, but found a nice in-box review and build-up on the IPMS web site to whet my appetite for now. Does anybody know the purpose of the two strange pole-like objects on either side of the fore-deck? It looks to me as if they are in a stowed position. Hope someone can shed a little light on this. I miss the old days when instruction sheets identified parts by name and not just numbers. Al
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Posted: Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 10:19 AM UTC
they are used as depth meters for a more accurate position of submerged objects like.....subs!when in use theyre extended right and left.
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Posted: Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 10:31 AM UTC
They're hydrophones and functioned much like a stethoscope. The end by the charthouse has a pivot on a slide. The shaft would be put overboard and the operator would swivel the shaft with the two handles on the upper end, listening through earpieces for sounds.



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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 - 04:05 AM UTC
Thanks Al and Al

Al

Edit.

Al I see the review for the ELCO but not the MAS.
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 - 04:29 AM UTC
Thanks for the info Al and Billy, it was a puzzlement. Hello Alan, I just googled MAS 568 and the review came up, being a dinosaur I don't know how to post the direct link. Al
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 - 06:22 AM UTC
Hi Al,

Nope, nothing related to PMMS either on Google or the site.

Al
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 - 07:14 AM UTC
Go here: web.ipmsusa3.org/content/italian-regia-marina-motor-torpedo-boat-mas-568-4a-serie

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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 - 11:47 AM UTC
Hello Alan, that article was on the IPMS website, not PMMS. Al (PS) I see Al Ross has posted the link now, thank's Al.
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 - 06:21 PM UTC
Ah, thanks folks, obviously need new glasses !!!

Al