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New Tip Sheet: Washing/Drybrushing Armor
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Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 01:34 PM UTC
Mike Taylor wrote up a short article on washing/drybrushing armor and would like your feedback. You can see the article here.

Thanks Mike!

Cheers,
Jim
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Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 08:31 PM UTC
Nice lookin' Article Mike.
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Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 09:14 PM UTC
Yes good article. One suggestion for folks like me more pics and larger detail. the old eyes ain't what they was.
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Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 09:53 PM UTC
Very good article,yea more pic''s and closer { those old eyes again }.
How about a step by step walk around for paint washes and weathering?
Good job on the Pk 4.

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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 01:28 AM UTC
I'm taking tons of photos -step by step- on the Panzer IV article I'm working on......
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 03:09 AM UTC
Thanks very much, Mike. I am struggling with this facet of detailing, and your article really helped. Much appreciated.

Mike

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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 07:27 AM UTC
Yes I am struggling to with washes and dry brushing and a lot of guys on here.helped me so i thank every body
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 07:40 AM UTC
Simple and objective! Good in providing an overall view....but I guess he forgot to mention to spray a flat coat after finnished the washing....
Cheers!
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 08:39 AM UTC
Mike, I loved your article, it's really helpful. :-) One question...What type of paints do you use for your washes? I heard oil paints work well.

Thanks,
Mark
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Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 09:09 AM UTC
I've used oil paints but now I have an old Model masters bottle with "wash" written on the lable. It's filled with a mixture of about 80% thinner and 20% Model Master Burnt Umber. I'm up to about 20 photos for the Panzer IV article.........MG2/MT
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Posted: Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 01:50 AM UTC
Mike,

I would like to know what your wash is composed of. If several components, then how much of each, etc.

Also, what is your recommendation for brushes used for dry-brushing?

Thanks,

Dave
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Posted: Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 02:22 AM UTC
Jim, Maybe have a short video on the techniques listed. I know you are bored and have very little to do.
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Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 02:48 AM UTC
I use the washing thecnique that you discribe to give shadows and then with the drybrushing give light to the details, small and not so small ones.
But before applying the brillant cote I give a general wash to the vehicle using artist`s oil paint diluted with turp`s spirits. I repeat this operation as many times until the surface look the way I like. With this I obtain (in my opinion) a more realistic appearance of the surface of the vehicle. I have to be very careful in this process because the underlayer paint could be ruin with the turp thinner. When this is dry I apply oil paint with a soft brush with this its posible to obtain a metal looking of the surface. Then the future coat and the detail wasing.
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Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 07:25 PM UTC
Hi Mike, great article. I believe that each and every modeler has their own personal preferences. As for me I use enamels paints on my armor & aircraft exclusively, and also enamel & oil washes but I apply these solvent based washes directly over my enamel coats without clear coats. I always let my paint dry for 72 hrs then apply the wash. Doing it like this mean's I'm also applying my wash to a matte finish which I prefer rather than a glossed finish for applying washes over. I find I have better control with washes over a matte finish and less control and break-up of a wash over a gloss finish. I DO PUT ON 2 - 3 THIN COATS OF TESTORS DULLCOTE AS MY LAST & FINAL STEP FOR COMPLETING THE MODEL
.......My reason's for this approach is simple:
- Reduce the number of steps.
- Less layers of "surface build-up " - leaving more raised detail for pin washes and drybrushing. ( You might say to even play it safer, and since I don't apply protective clears, why don't I paInt my base coat with acrylic's ........... and the reason is because I don't like AIRBRUSHING acrylic's !!!!!!!!!!!!! - IMHO enamel's are made for airbrushing. I don't ever have to worry ...and I mean EVER, about a clogged nozzle with enamels. And I find enamels a lot easier to clean. ( I do use Vallejo acrylic's for brushing figure uniforms though ).

I agree what you said about using brown's for washes, but I can't see completely staying away from black or dark charcol/ dirty black ( Floquil Grimy Black ) shaded washes either. I find there are areas that would better benefit with them.
These are just my opinion's and preferences - as I really liked your article and thought it was "right on ". As a matter of fact I also thought your other articles were excellent ..... so good, that a while back I nominated you for "User of the Month " in the voting thread. And your model's show just how good your articles work !
REGARDS.


- ralph
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2003 - 07:28 AM UTC
A very clear and informative article, Mike! It's very usefull to read how other fellow modellers do their work. Maybe you can give me some tips and hints on using pastels.

Keep up the good work!
John.
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2003 - 09:40 AM UTC
Hi Mike , I'm kinda new to all this, can you tell me what is meant by giving it a coat or two of future to gloss it up? It maybe something obvious but I've not heard of this so please excuse my ignorance. #:-)
Cheers Kenny.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 07:53 AM UTC
Good concise article. I completely agree with your opinion concerning "overall washes". I too, believe only in applying washes to details, as described in your article. I remember judging armor at my clubs contest and many of the vehicles had received overall washes. They looked like they had run thru burning oil fields The builders could not understand why they did not receive awards. I felt like taking a small stick and writing "wash me, please" on the rear of the tanks

Again, excellent advice.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 08:34 AM UTC
Nice article, Its always nice to learn how others do things. I for one am always on the lookout for new ways to try things..

although more and larger pics would be nice.

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Posted: Monday, February 09, 2004 - 09:52 PM UTC

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Hi Mike , I'm kinda new to all this, can you tell me what is meant by giving it a coat or two of future to gloss it up? It maybe something obvious but I've not heard of this so please excuse my ignorance. #:-)
Cheers Kenny.



future is a floor polish/wax. modelers like the acrylic glossy, dull, or semi-gloss coat it provides. future dries clear. there was an article in fine scale modeling about it. btw, great article. but the last step about the dullcoat was forgotten;) haha. one question tho, do u prefer testors dullcote or talc powder in future? just wondering which gives a better result. ive heard praise about both. im just unsure of the pros and cons
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Posted: Monday, February 09, 2004 - 10:39 PM UTC
As I'm about to do a tank or two in the near future for the first time this little article is just what the doctor ordered. I'm sure I will ask a lot of questions when I start getting down and dirty.
Thanks Mike.
Cheers
Peter
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 12:31 AM UTC
Thanks for the article Mike.

It is quite timely seeing as I am getting to the point where I will be thinking about applying some of those techniques on the T-74 I am building.

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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 12:48 AM UTC
thanks Mike nice lil thingie
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 11:16 PM UTC
What do you mean by "a good coat or two of future to gloss it up" ? - I have always used a flat matt varnish before washing and weathering - I have just started up my afv / diorama building after a gap of 15 years so I imagine techniques have moved on !
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 11:36 PM UTC
Good article Mike

I like the idea of drybrushing the model with shades of tan, instead if lighter shades of the basecolor. Would this apply to a "panzergrau" model as well as a "Green" model?
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 11:54 PM UTC
Very nice article indeed!