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Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
Best primer on the market?
edmund
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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 08:51 AM UTC
As long as you can tolerate the smell , I would say Mr Surfacer 1200 or if you want a real smooth finish Mr Surfacer 1500 and it's available in black also . But as I said if you can put up with the aroma of the Finnish then you got it made .
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Posted: Saturday, July 18, 2015 - 01:11 PM UTC
I am a builder of the smaller models, 1/700 and 1/350 scale ships, figures, dioramas and staff for, I used all the market first and I definitely think that the best is AK Interactive.
There is no problem of orange peel, grains of sand ...... adheres well to metal and plastic although not perfectly clean, and most important to me is that it respects even the smallest details.
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 11:58 AM UTC
I read numerous people prefer the Tamiya surface primers. I too like the results. However, the rattle cans are rather expensive (at least here in the States) and seem to run out rather quickly as they spray at a rather large volume. I recently purchased a 40 ml bottle of Tamiya gray liquid surface primer. I thin it with lacquer thinner (as I do all my Tamiya paints) and spray it through my airbrush. It sprays great, adheres nicely, dries quickly, and is easily sand-able. I've used the same bottle on about 6 models and have hardly used 1/4 of the bottle.

I've always wanted to try Mr. Surfacer. Can anyone comment on their line...500 vs. 1000 vs. 1200?
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 01:25 PM UTC
I tend to use mainly Mr. Surfacer 1000. 500 seems to gritty for me so I only use it for gap filling and texturing. 1200 is pretty smooth when it dries which is not so bad. I just prefer the 1000 to get more bite. If you're used to the tamiya spray can primer I think it would be near 500. I can't quite remember the final texture since last I used the canned tamiya was 8 years ago but i recall it was pretty gritty
Gluefumes
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 04:25 PM UTC
STYNLREZ, anybody use it?
Vallejo does not sand well, but heard good things about Badgers Primer.
G.
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Posted: Sunday, November 01, 2015 - 06:07 AM UTC
I like the model master acryl grey primer, covers well. Slight odor, I dont like the tamiya surface liquid primer. Never had any luck with it. I did try the tamiya primer in the spray can,worked well but a little too pricey
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Posted: Sunday, November 01, 2015 - 05:49 PM UTC

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STYNLREZ, anybody use it?
Vallejo does not sand well, but heard good things about Badgers Primer.
G.



Yes, I've recently started using it. Haven't tried to sand it, though. Never was able to get used to the Vallejo or other (AK, Ammo) urethane primers, but I like the Stynylrez much better. Goes on smoother and seems to have better adhesion on metal than the others.
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Posted: Sunday, November 01, 2015 - 08:47 PM UTC
Decanted automotive primers are great
johnsmith1966
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Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 11:22 AM UTC
I use Vallejo primer and their airbrush thinner but only a couple drops and only Vallejo thinner.
Barrikadyzavod
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Posted: Sunday, November 13, 2016 - 04:56 PM UTC
For me, Vallejo primer range is the best option with water based acrylic poliurethane resin, perfect ofr all surfaces like resin,plastic, brass or white metal...
https://www.facebook.com/267763626586040/photos/?tab=album&album_id=681613661867699
Blucop
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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 04:04 AM UTC

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For me, Vallejo primer range is the best option with water based acrylic poliurethane resin, perfect ofr all surfaces like resin,plastic, brass or white metal...
https://www.facebook.com/267763626586040/photos/?tab=album&album_id=681613661867699



I have had very poor luck with any of the polyurethane water based primers...terrible luck. A cellulose base lacquer primer will do a much better job especially with any sanding or adhesion issues.
Vicious
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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 04:43 AM UTC

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I have had very poor luck with any of the polyurethane water based primers...terrible luck. A cellulose base lacquer primer will do a much better job especially with any sanding or adhesion issues.



STYNLREZ from Badger is my new favourite,also rebranded from Ammo under the name "ONE SHOT PRIMER" or from UMP "Utimate primer" is Acrylic,not smelly but work like a laquer/Elamel,self levelling,strong,you can sand,is awesome.

on youtube is planty of super positive review.
PorkChopper
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Posted: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 07:28 AM UTC
Badger's Stynylrez is the best primer I've ever used. I've figuratively thrown my stinky Mr Surfacer on the trash heap since discovering it.
Grindcore
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Posted: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 10:02 AM UTC

The STYNLREZ sounds good, just ordered some off of Amazon.
Barrikadyzavod
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Posted: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 - 01:25 PM UTC
The Acrylicos Vallejo Primers, with 17 references, can be a good option over all surfaces like plastic, resin, metal or brass.
Best regards
Vicious
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Posted: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 - 02:08 AM UTC

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The Acrylicos Vallejo Primers, with 17 references, can be a good option over all surfaces like plastic, resin, metal or brass.
Best regards



Vallejo is a good primer with a huge choice of colors but then the "love story" ends the day you have to sand it ... unsandable, rolls on itself...
TotemWolf
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Posted: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 - 03:08 AM UTC

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The Acrylicos Vallejo Primers, with 17 references, can be a good option over all surfaces like plastic, resin, metal or brass.
Best regards



Vallejo is a good primer with a huge choice of colors but then the "love story" ends the day you have to sand it ... unsandable, rolls on itself...

Because it's a primer not a surfacer.
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Vicious
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Posted: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 - 03:15 AM UTC

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Because it's a primer not a surfacer.



Badger STYNLREZ is a Acrilyc primer not a surfacer but i can sand it easily whitout any problem
TotemWolf
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Posted: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 - 04:52 AM UTC

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Badger STYNLREZ is a Acrilyc primer not a surfacer but i can sand it easily whitout any problem


Is it a true acrylic? That is, does it contain any solvents at all?
If so I may have to try it.

But my point was that so many people try to use Vallejo primer to fill seams and gaps, not as a prep for painting and then complain when it doesn't work.
Vicious
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Posted: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 - 05:18 AM UTC

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Badger STYNLREZ is a Acrilyc primer not a surfacer but i can sand it easily whitout any problem


Is it a true acrylic? That is, does it contain any solvents at all?
If so I may have to try it.

But my point was that so many people try to use Vallejo primer to fill seams and gaps, not as a prep for painting and then complain when it doesn't work.



Yep...is a true acrilyc no solvent,nearly 0 smell,is thick but you can spry out of the bottle at 25-30psi whit a 3.0, nozzle,I often use the gray primer because it makes small defects stand out, especially when I do figure, and with the STYNLREZ I can sand and fix the problem,is nearly good as a laquer or enamel primer...the only real problem is the name "STYNLREZ" !?!?!...unpronounceable

the video speak better than tousand words

https://youtu.be/IpUAqZAspCk

you have a lot of reviews and all the more than positive about it...and is made in U.S.A

Ammo of Mig rebrand as "One shot primer" but from badger is cheaper,and also UMP sell under is brand.
PatriotaModels
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Posted: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 - 11:26 PM UTC
Hi Joe,

buy only Alclad II grey primer. This primer is the only one out on the market, that does the job it is developed for. Water based primers are good for your health and environment, but useless for serious modelling. Use Alclad II grey primer and you will never have any problems with the primer being detached from the plastic.

Vallejo, Revell and other water based primers are for the trashcan. I´ve spent more than 50 Euro on different primers, from automotive up to enamel and new water based primers that received "very good" reviews.

I usually spray the Alclad II primer with 0.8 bar and a 0.5mm airbrush. No further thinning is needed.

Take my advice and you will never regret it.
retiredyank
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 03:41 AM UTC
Stylynrez hands down. Good coverage, sprayed directly from bottle, cures quickly (10 minutes), does not lift off.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 - 08:50 AM UTC

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Hi Joe,

buy only Alclad II grey primer. This primer is the only one out on the market, that does the job it is developed for. Water based primers are good for your health and environment, but useless for serious modelling. Use Alclad II grey primer and you will never have any problems with the primer being detached from the plastic.

Vallejo, Revell and other water based primers are for the trashcan. I´ve spent more than 50 Euro on different primers, from automotive up to enamel and new water based primers that received "very good" reviews.

I usually spray the Alclad II primer with 0.8 bar and a 0.5mm airbrush. No further thinning is needed.

Take my advice and you will never regret it.



I I’d only knew how to open my tins...
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 - 11:10 AM UTC

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Hi Joe,

buy only Alclad II grey primer. This primer is the only one out on the market, that does the job it is developed for. Water based primers are good for your health and environment, but useless for serious modelling. Use Alclad II grey primer and you will never have any problems with the primer being detached from the plastic.

Vallejo, Revell and other water based primers are for the trashcan. I´ve spent more than 50 Euro on different primers, from automotive up to enamel and new water based primers that received "very good" reviews.

I usually spray the Alclad II primer with 0.8 bar and a 0.5mm airbrush. No further thinning is needed.

Take my advice and you will never regret it.



I have experienced the opposite, when compared to Stylenrez. Stylenrez sticks to metal and only requires one coat. Alclad will flake off and requires three or more coats.