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Best paint for hand brushing?
ron_harris
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Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:52 AM UTC
Hi;
I need to inquire as to the best or highest recommended paint. enamel or acrylic, for hand brush painting. My personal favorite Poly Scale is no longer available in Canada due to shipping restrictions. If anyone has any personal preferences i'd appreciate hearing them.
Thanks in advance.

Regards;

ron
collin26
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 04:15 AM UTC
Vallejo Vallejo Vallejo......Give it a try for brush and airbrush. You will not be let down, I put my name on it. Just be careful when airbrushing. Vallejo acrylics have a quick dry time and this can require frequent cleaning of the tip of your AB.
meaty_hellhound
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 04:38 AM UTC
hi Ron, rumour has it many hobby paints will soon be banned from import in Canada due to the gov't's restriction on the chemicals used in them that have been deemed harmful to consumers. besides PolyScale, Model Master Enamels is rumoured to be banned soon. i am not sure if Humbrol will be banned, if so i will be so bummed.

Vallejo is a great acrylic paint which is very dense in pigments and can be thinned to do a fine job hand brushing. Tamiya acrylics also are easy to use by hand. just know Tamiya is solvent based that is water soluable will Vallejo is water based and the two aren't made to mix together ideally.

the Vallejo thinner is resin based as i understand and does a better job of allowing the paint molecules to bind together than just using distilled water. i haven't bought any of their thinner but may look into trying it myself.

cheers, mh.
Karl187
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 04:43 AM UTC

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hi Ron, rumour has it many hobby paints will soon be banned from import in Canada due to the gov't's restriction on the chemicals used in them that have been deemed harmful to consumers. besides PolyScale, Model Master Enamels is rumoured to be banned soon. i am not sure if Humbrol will be banned, if so i will be so bummed.

Vallejo is a great acrylic paint which is very dense in pigments and can be thinned to do a fine job hand brushing. Tamiya acrylics also are easy to use by hand. just know Tamiya is solvent based that is water soluable will Vallejo is water based and the two aren't made to mix together ideally.

the Vallejo thinner is resin based as i understand and does a better job of allowing the paint molecules to bind together than just using distilled water. i haven't bought any of their thinner but may look into trying it myself.

cheers, mh.



I've used the Vallejo thinner for airbrushing and brush painting and it works exactly the same as distilled water- i.e. you don't really need it, water does just fine!

I would definetly recommend Vallejo but also Andrea Miniatures, not such a big range but they have some neat sets- flesh/white/black etc that help you to paint those colors more accurately with a minimum of fuss. However, they are fairly similar (if not identical) to Vallejo.
Chilihead
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 04:51 AM UTC
Ron
I use Vallejo and Delta Ceramcoat, the cheap stuff from Wal-Mart in the crafts section, darn near the same paint.
I use acrylics on all of my camouflage uniforms and oils (Winsor Newton) on top of acrylics for all of my solid colors.
I hope that this has helped.
Chris Mrosko
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 04:55 AM UTC
I highly recommend Vallejo acrylics, as well as GSI Creos acrylics.
SSGToms
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 06:17 AM UTC
Vallejo. Brush, air, effects, that's all you need . Vallejo.
ron_harris
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 08:05 AM UTC
Thanks to all. I noticed the other day my hobby shop is going to start selling Vallejo and from the comments none to soon. I think i'll get a bottle and give it a try.
Thanks again.

ron
viper29_ca
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 05:02 PM UTC
I echo what everyone is saying,

Vallejo...

The main and only line of paint for brush painting that I carry here at the shop.

I would gladly do mail order out to you Ron, if in doubt, check with James Brookman (also from Manitoba, in Winnipeg), he can vouch for me.
tnichols
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 05:32 PM UTC
Follow-up question. Best type of brush for brush painting? I plan on doing some cammo. with either Humbrol or Vallejo paints and I need to know what is the best brush shape to use. Round or flat? Size? Any assistance is appreciated. Thanks. Ted Nichols
madmax5510
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 08:19 PM UTC
Hi Ron,Hi Ted!

I use from almost five years only acrilycs,Agama[for smallscale -1/76,1/72],and Modelmaster for 1/48,1/35 scale...and i am very pleased with the results.
Smallscale with Agama acrilycs:









...the best way to use Agama acrilycs is dry-brush.

"Big" scale[i am a braillescaler ] with Modelmaster:












For a single color camo i use a broad brush,but for two tone or three tone camo,i use this ugly,ordinary brush:

..in a dry-brush way.

Sorry for the many pictures, but for me, a picture is worth like a thousand words. ...and I hope I managed to be helpful, despite my bad[ ] English.

All the best!
Dani
Mohawk73
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 11:00 PM UTC
I have a similar problem. I want to use acrylics from now on and have to paint a plane by handbrush in /48 scale. Gunze was no succes so i have decided to try Vallejo and see how this will work out.
Hwa-Rang
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 11:12 PM UTC
When handbrushing I use Vallejo or Humbrol for small areas. For me nothing beats Humbrol enamels, for larger areas.
Karl187
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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 02:00 AM UTC

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Follow-up question. Best type of brush for brush painting? I plan on doing some cammo. with either Humbrol or Vallejo paints and I need to know what is the best brush shape to use. Round or flat? Size? Any assistance is appreciated. Thanks. Ted Nichols



I find Abteilung 502 brushes from Mig Productions are good if you are looking for mid-size round and flat brushes. They also do good fine detail brushes but I prefer Italeri 10/0 and 5/0 brushes to be good for fine detail. You can't really go wrong with Tamiya brushes either.
gaborka
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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 02:56 AM UTC
Hello,

concerning brushes it is a good idea buying the best quality, I buy my brushes in the art supply store.
Flat wide brushes are good for applying washes, pastels, drybrushing. I found it difficult to paint surfaces with them, although logics would dictate the opposite. Maybe you have better luck with them.
Round brushes are used for painting surfaces and general work.
It is a good idea to have a few long-bristle calligraphy brushes around (they come even in 3/0 sizes), for precision work and painting straight, even lines and applying pin washes.

plastickjunkie
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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 04:45 AM UTC
My vote goes to Humbrol Enamels. They go on without any brush marks and cover on the first coat. The gloss ones are not as forgiving when brushing as the flat ones. The Metallic steel and aluminum enamel, once dry can be buffed to a very realistic metal finish and can be brushed on small parts.
SSGToms
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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 04:50 AM UTC

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Follow-up question. Best type of brush for brush painting? I plan on doing some cammo. with either Humbrol or Vallejo paints and I need to know what is the best brush shape to use. Round or flat? Size? Any assistance is appreciated. Thanks. Ted Nichols


Winsor & Newton brushes. I have the Cirrus series. They are high quality Kolinsky Sable, leave no brush marks, and will last forever.
Use rounds for lines, points for detail, and flats for areas.
dubik2005
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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 07:26 PM UTC
I tried Vallejo, Andrea and Reaper Master Paint Series (US). Trying to use Reaper MPS most of the time because you don't need to shake them for several minutes. Also if I don't have color I need from reaper I prefer to use Game Color and Air because they are already diluted and easier to work with. I really suggest to buy flow improver and drying retarder. Reaper mini got both of those.
dubik2005
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Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 11:32 PM UTC
About brushes here is nice review...
http://www.coolminiornot.com/article/aid/892

I ordered Rosemary and Co and Raphael today. Lets see....
Big-J59
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Posted: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 11:13 AM UTC
Best service ever from Scott M

That all I can say about that.

let me know how the vallejo paint works out Ron. (If you get it)

James
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Posted: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 03:56 PM UTC

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Best service ever from Scott M

That all I can say about that.

let me know how the vallejo paint works out Ron. (If you get it)

James



Thanks James....much appreciated!!

Your decals are on the way mailed today

Thanks
Scott
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Posted: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 04:11 PM UTC

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About brushes here is nice review...
http://www.coolminiornot.com/article/aid/892

I ordered Rosemary and Co and Raphael today. Lets see....



I just stumbled across this thread while browsing and saw this link and found the article to be quite helpful. Much thanks
lukiftian
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 07:04 PM UTC
Try an Alberta hobby shop. Pollyscale has a good distributor in Calgary and I don't believe it can't be found any more. Lol if Pollyscale can't be found in Canada anymore all of the train shops will go out of business. Owned by Testors btw.

Polyscale is the best for hand brushing, by about a mile and a half.

Just read some of the posts about model paint being banned and I'm getting real tired of being told what's good for me by the moronic apparachiks who think they run this country as a daycare centre.

Guess I should stock up on Flake White, too?