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Heavy technical Truck ID's
somtec
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 06:24 AM UTC
Hi
Can anyone id any of these trucks used as heavy technicals in Lebanon and Somalia?
Also any 1/35 or close kits/diecasts available?

hope that works
Peter
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 06:51 AM UTC










HTH
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 06:58 AM UTC
Hi Frenchy
Many thanks.
I would ask you how you did that but i wouldnt understand it so I wont bother.
Cheers
Peter
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 07:14 AM UTC
You're welcome Peter
The first one looks like a Chevrolet C65 :

The third one appears to be a M39 series truck :

and the next to last one reminds me of a French-built Berliet GLR truck...


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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 09:42 AM UTC
That last one looks like a Fiat tactical truck of some sort, but there is also a Spanish series that looks very similar. I figure with it being in Somalia, however, the Italian type is more likely. I'm sorry that I don't know the model name, but if you do a google image search for "Fiat 6x6" the first image looks very similar.
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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 06:12 AM UTC
Hi
Thanks for the replies and photos given me some fresh ideas of trucks to look out for.

Joe I think the Spanish truck you are thinkng of is the Pegaso, the Somali's definately used the 4x4 version ,dont think they used the 6x6, this was my first thought though.

Actually I think some of the trucks were Etheopian army..
Peter
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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 06:48 AM UTC
Yeah, I stumbled upon some pictures of Pegasos later, but they seemed pretty clearly not to be it. I'm pretty sure its one of these Fiats, but it seems impossible to find a picture of one. Maybe I'm wrong, looking back at it, the wheels closer match the Pegaso trucks.

I had thought Fiat model number in question might have been in the ACM series. Here's an Fiat ACP 70 for comparison:
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The wheels are decidedly different.

It also doesn't help that Fiat's subsidiary Iveco bought out the parent company of Pegaso in the 1990s.
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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 09:56 AM UTC
Just found this one :


According to the caption, it's a Fiat 6605 TM 69 (6x6)...But all the TM 69s I've seen so far have an extended cab like the one below (the TM 69 is an artillery tractor)....


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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 11:25 AM UTC
Yeah, those were the ones which put the thought into my head in the first place. The wheels look much more similar to the vehicle in question too. They don't look anything like the current Fiat ACP/ACM type wheels.
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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 06:51 PM UTC
Hi
Thanks again gents your research skills are amazing, I had been looking and come up with nothing that looked like the Fiat.
The next part is to find a 1/35 version along with a twin 37mm antiaircraft gun., Iam guessing the chances of finding anything are going to be non existant.
Peter
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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 09:55 PM UTC
At least you could use RealModel's M813 kit as a base to build the guntruck #3...


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Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 05:44 AM UTC
Hi
Many thanks again, that real models truck looks the business ,but the price ,thats a biggie.
I wonder how hard it would be to convert/backdate an italeri 5 tonner or maybe an afv duece and half, seen a how to on making a m54, on this site as i recall.
Peter
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Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 07:11 AM UTC
Hi Peter

I know this might sound a biggie,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but have you thought about scratchbuilding the truck.

From what I see of this truck that Frenchy found



all the profiles look reasonably flat with simple square shapes to work from. The hardest part would appear to be the front of the cab and the wheels.

Should be simple to knock up once a few of the principle dimensions are known,

Good luck

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Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 07:31 AM UTC

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Should be simple to knock up once a few of the principle dimensions are known



Maybe these drawings can help as they show the main chassis dimensions....





The tires are 14.00 R20 singles at font & rear





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Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 07:59 AM UTC
Frenchy
you amaze me not only do you id the truck but come up with plans of it.
How do you do it, when i do a google search it comes up with a lot of #### but not what iam looking for or what i asked it to look for.
Nige
I could probably make the "square" bits such as cargo bed, possibly cab, but the wheels would be beyond me.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 08:44 AM UTC
It's only a matter of patience (and a bit of luck) This truck is fitted with 14.00R20 tires, just like M939A1 and A2 trucks, so maybe you could use one of the available AM wheel sets designed for Italeri's M939 "Big Foot" truck kit and modify the hub ? RealModel and MR Models (among others) have released such sets.

BTW, another easier (and cheaper) option would be using AFV Club's M35A2 with a ZU-23-2 :








This one is fitted with a heavier gun (twin 37 ?) :



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Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 09:47 AM UTC

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Frenchy
you amaze me not only do you id the truck but come up with plans of it.
How do you do it, when i do a google search it comes up with a lot of #### but not what iam looking for or what i asked it to look for.
Nige
I could probably make the "square" bits such as cargo bed, possibly cab, but the wheels would be beyond me.
Peter



Peter

Frenchy has been fabulous on this site for anyone looking for info or pics,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, even myself.

As for the wheel, look up the scratchbuilding forum and look for the wheel making hints and tips. A few great scratchbuilders on here make their own using a disc cutter to cut sheet plastic into a series of discs of the right diameter (plus a fraction to allow for shaping and adjustment) with and or without a centre depending on the the wheel and hub configuration.

Glue the discs together to form the right thickness and fix to a hand power drill using the collet to trap the disc through a centre hole.

Using sandpaper and or tools, shape the discs to the correct tyre profile and diameter with the outer tyre diameter.

Draw out the tyre tread on plan and rap around the tyre and using the right thickness of bit carve out the tyre tread around the tyre.

If you know anyone who does resin casting get them to cast the rest.

Either that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, get the right dimensions and ask on here if anyone makes something similar of the right sizes as aftermarket resin pieces.

Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 12:44 PM UTC
FIAT Trucks! What a great subject for a plastic model.

Italeri - are you listening!? Maybe Revell of Germany will do it. They are doing a great job reproducing the modern German Army in 1/35th and 1/72nd scale. Keep it coming.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 06:53 PM UTC
Hi Frenchy
Your help may be needed again but heres some pics of my m35+zu23 and pegaso+zu23, both need some more work but you'll get the idea.





Not the best quality pics as i dont have a proper set up.
Peter
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Posted: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 09:05 AM UTC
Nice job Peter ! Frankly speaking and judging by these builds I don't see why you would need any help from me
Here's another candidate for a heavy technical project :
A Berliet GBC8KT (Phoebus Creation has released a resin 1/35 kit) :


Keep on the good work !

PS : I believe the correct designation for the pictured Fiat truck (the one used for the guntruck conversion) is Autocarro Pesante Fiat 6605A CP69

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Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 08:19 AM UTC
Hi
Many thanks Frenchy, youve given me even more info to work on.
I'll check out the Pheobus Berliet.

Do you know where the photo was from ,dont think ive seen that one, or what countries used the Berliet, Chad maybe?
Peter
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Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 09:29 AM UTC

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Do you know where the photo was from ,dont think ive seen that one, or what countries used the Berliet, Chad maybe?



It's from Somalia : http://www.ethiomedia.com/addfile/jowhar_regained.html but I believe you can find GBC8KTs in many other African countries....

BTW, I've even found a video showing a preserved TM69 in Malta (huge beast...) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEyAOpK78U&feature=related

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Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 09:30 AM UTC

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Hi Frenchy
Your help may be needed again but heres some pics of my m35+zu23 and pegaso+zu23, both need some more work but you'll get the idea
Not the best quality pics as i dont have a proper set up.
Peter



Peter where did you get your pegaso Truck
really great build BTW.
I have the build as a future project.

Cheers
Seb