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Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 07:16 PM UTC


Here's a look at RB Productions' new sets of streamlined "RAF" wires and rigging attachments.

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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 08:09 PM UTC
I ordered some, and it arrived from Ireland to Holland very very fast! Havn't used it yet.

Cheers, Nico
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Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 12:55 AM UTC
My God!
I went blind just looking at the photos.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 06:45 AM UTC
Excellent! I have a WNW Se 5a these would look fine on.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 07:59 AM UTC

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Excellent! I have a WNW Se 5a these would look fine on.


Ditto! Is there a US retailer or must one purchase from abroad?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 09:27 AM UTC
Second question: which wires does one purchase and how does one know? For the SA 5, for example.
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2009 - 10:21 PM UTC
Yes I've got an SE5a and a Bristol F2b tucked away and it would be helpful to know which wire size was appropriate for which aircraft. As well as that, the parts come in two types, "flexible" terminals and "straight" terminals but it wasn't clear to me what the difference is.
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 06:18 AM UTC
The SE.5 like F2B has 3 size of wire 9/32 B.S.F, 1/4 B.S.F and 2 B.A
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 07:16 AM UTC

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The SE.5 like F2B has 3 size of wire 9/32 B.S.F, 1/4 B.S.F and 2 B.A


"2 B.A."????
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 10:23 AM UTC
2 B.A used on Aileron Control - Commecling Wire, on the tail plane bracing wire etc
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 10:43 AM UTC
Hi there

I think 2 B.A is standard round-section cable.

Radu's instructions include photos of the full-sized flexible and straight terminals so you can distinguish between them, but you'll have to find your own references for what is appropriate in each position on a particular airframe - that's beyond the scope of generic instructions.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 10:52 AM UTC
The Wingnuts instructions are very complete.

So it sounds like one needs all three elements and some fishing line for the round cable?
Removed by original poster on 07/27/09 - 13:41:17 (GMT).
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Posted: Monday, July 27, 2009 - 02:40 AM UTC
in all RCF and RNAS airplanes the control cables are 2 B.A.
MERLIN is right.
in the WINDSOCK DATAFILE SPECIAL Vol 1 of Bristol Fighter p.39 there is a plane of RAF- WIRE lengths, also in Sopwith Pup DATAFILE p.38
Sorry for my poor Englise.
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Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 07:37 AM UTC
Hi,

1st post.

I'm kind of a newbie to this site, but am active on other WW1 sites. Forgot my callsign and couldn't log on here. emails for help have so far been unanswered, so I had to re-register.

Anyway, where are you guys getting the references for SE5 RAFWire? I liked the RB productions stuff was was stumped at the sizes he chose. I really like the attachments, though. I'll be having them.

A long time ago I saw this, which I've been using as a reference:
http://tinyurl.com/rafwires

It is supposedly the SE5 and 5a rigging diagram from the original manual.

In short, it says that only the front flying wires and the undercarriage front cross bracing wires are 1/4 BSF.

The rest are either 2BA or 4BA RAFwire.

Is there another source which has different numbers?


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Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 07:45 PM UTC
For a quick reference on the Bristol here at Aeroscale click here.

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Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 07:51 PM UTC
For detailed references on the SE 5a and the Bristol I hve to recommend the Datafiles on the subject from Windsock.
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Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 - 11:30 AM UTC
Agree with you totally. The Windsock SE5a Data File Special has a "Rigging Notes"diagram from the official1918 Technical Notes (pg.42) that states the same, 1/4 BSF for the Front Flying Wires and U/C cross bracing, the rest all 2 and 4BA. Rimell doesn't make many errors! Just ordered the 3 sets plus the turnbuckles from Radub; will post results if I don't go blind on the install (WNW SE5a)
Just switched to 1/32 from 1/48 due to "old eyes"; now wondering what I gained as the larger subjects initiate more detail mania and I may be back at the beginning of this little adventure with products like these............
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Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 - 12:54 PM UTC
Two types of rigging:
I would think that Aircraft are not too different from sailboats, There is standing rigging to support the mast or to reinforce the wing structure. There is also running rigging, halyards and sheets on a boat and rudder and aileron control lines for the planes.
It makes sense for the standing rigging to be streamlined, and the gauge is determined by the length of the span and load. It is tuned prior to flight.
However, because the control lines are being bent around a sheave or pulley it must be flexible, round and likely braided from a lot of fine wires.
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