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Opinions on this British Quad Paint Job
Bratushka
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 10:25 AM UTC
This is one of two Quad Gun Tractors I am working on. The colors are Life Color Light Stone from the WWII British in the Middle East set and the brown is Vallejo Saddle Brown which was a cross reference color by brand. I have to admit that these don't look right to me although several sources I consulted specified these colors as correct. I actually expected more of a yellow color that I have seen in some photos of pieces of British field guns, etc. This is almost too modern looking. Originally I was going to do the Mickey Mouse pattern, but since this is going to be a North African campaign vehicle circa 1943 it predates Mickey Mouse camo by a year. This is just the fist application of the disruptive color, so ignore any irregularities and light spots. I was going to airbrush the pattern at first, but since the disruptive patten was field applied by brush I thought using the AB may produce too clean a finish. Anyway, I am submitting these images for comment about the colors and camo pattern. I appreciate any and all.













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ARMORAMA
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 10:47 AM UTC
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ARMORAMA
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 10:48 AM UTC
I cant get this to display full size sorry
Bratushka
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 10:51 AM UTC

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I cant get this to display full size sorry



i've done this before. i just looked at a previous post to see what code i entered and i can't see what's different.

i'll keep mucking with it! thanks for trying to help!

EUREKA!!! i hadn't resized the image at Webshots! by default they are saved in 100 pixel format and i forgot i had to manually select a larger size.
SSGToms
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 08:22 AM UTC
Hi Jim,
I think this looks very accurate and quite good. Once you do some washes it will tone it down and lessen the contrast, it won't be so garish, don't worry. My rule of thumb is, if it looks too bright in raw paint, it will look perfect when all is done. If you tone down the bare paint, it will be too dark when done. Trust me. I have an M901 on a back shelf that bears testimony to this axiom.
Move ahead, it's looking great.
Bratushka
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 10:03 AM UTC
Thanks Matt. I guess the paint was like a pilot flying by instruments rather than visual cues. Like I said, I couldn't find any color photos or drawings of this color scheme. All the photos I found of military vehicles of this type and in this family were OD green base with black or very dark green camo. Luckily, I found a few sites where the contents of WWII British camoflage field manuals were posted which, although they had only illustrations, were still very helpful. One thing I was unsure of in applying the pattern I used was that in the manuals most trucks were shown with the entire upper surface area painted in the disruptive color which continued down along the sides. This was complimented by the disruptive color going along the lower edges of the sides and up with this being continued down the length of the vehicle. In addition, it was stated the the underside surfaces of the chassis and running gear were to be painted in the disruptive color, too. This scheme was shown on medium and large cargo style trucks. There were some sedans shown with the irregular shapes such as what I painted and from what I read, this was seemingly applied to smaller vehicles. I made a grand assumption that it was OK with this one. After the colors were painted I was hesitant to continue because it just looked too contemporary, almost something I'd expect to see in the Middle East today. But then again, a camo scheme for that environment in 1943 wouldn't suddenly stop working in 2009.

Well, unless I hear something different I will proceed. The second Quad will be OD with Mickey Mouse camo since I wanted to do that style camo. Up next is a toss up between a Tamiya British Matilda or a Tristar German Panzer I Ausf A. I think I'll have better luck finding paint info on the Matilda. If I do the Panzer I will have to order Fruilmodel tracks because the individual link plastic ones with the almost microscopic pins that hold them together look to be akin to reassembling a sardine skeleton using two pair of channel lock pliers! Of course, the rubber band tracks with the Matilda leave a lot to be desired as well.
horsegunner
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 11:20 AM UTC
Hi Jim:

Looking good. Once it is weathered and dusted up, you should be good to go. If you are looking for coloured drawings, check out www.armouredacorn.com. Barry Beldam does amazing reaearch on his vehicle drawings, and he covers both Canadian and Non-Canadian vehicle markings.
Glad the mirrors will come in handy.

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